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		By: Rob		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-199224</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2026 23:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am NOT paying these current fuel prices.! I can&#039;t afford it! So I am cycling, and I am suddenly so damn grateful for all these cycleways.  But I am terrified when I see a person walking or jogging on a shared path because many have headphones on and when I call &#039;coming through on your right&#039; or ring my bike bell, they don&#039;t hear me, and I am worried they will suddenly step right into my path and we&#039;ll both get injured. I am getting to work quicker than in the car, and am really enjoying the ride. The ride home has become my decompression time as I transition from work mode to home mode! It&#039;s great! I have already lost 3 kgs too!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am NOT paying these current fuel prices.! I can&#8217;t afford it! So I am cycling, and I am suddenly so damn grateful for all these cycleways.  But I am terrified when I see a person walking or jogging on a shared path because many have headphones on and when I call &#8216;coming through on your right&#8217; or ring my bike bell, they don&#8217;t hear me, and I am worried they will suddenly step right into my path and we&#8217;ll both get injured. I am getting to work quicker than in the car, and am really enjoying the ride. The ride home has become my decompression time as I transition from work mode to home mode! It&#8217;s great! I have already lost 3 kgs too!</p>
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		By: David Moorhouse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Moorhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 04:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Funny that all the angst ridden anti-bike folk posting above have moved onto some other &quot;anti&quot; project of theirs, probably co-governance or some other existential crisis.

And in the meantime there are thousands of bike riders using this wonderful new facility every week - and heaps of scooter riders. And nary any lycra to be seen, just everyday folk doing an everyday thing like getting from A to B safely on a pushbike.
And the traffic is not getting held up because people get used to things and make changes - that&#039;s what humans have been doing for thousands of years.
And life goes on.
And the sky did not fall on chicken little&#039;s head because some of the tarmac was repurposed.

P.S. as an added bonus narrowing the lanes along Rolleston Ave has socialised vehicle drivers into complying with the existing 30kph speed limit. The previously overly wide road before encouraged them to break the law by exceeding the posted speed limit. This  newly civilised behaviour makes the area so much nicer to be in: a coffee or wine outside the Lumiere cinema is a lovely way of finishing up the week.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that all the angst ridden anti-bike folk posting above have moved onto some other &#8220;anti&#8221; project of theirs, probably co-governance or some other existential crisis.</p>
<p>And in the meantime there are thousands of bike riders using this wonderful new facility every week &#8211; and heaps of scooter riders. And nary any lycra to be seen, just everyday folk doing an everyday thing like getting from A to B safely on a pushbike.<br />
And the traffic is not getting held up because people get used to things and make changes &#8211; that&#8217;s what humans have been doing for thousands of years.<br />
And life goes on.<br />
And the sky did not fall on chicken little&#8217;s head because some of the tarmac was repurposed.</p>
<p>P.S. as an added bonus narrowing the lanes along Rolleston Ave has socialised vehicle drivers into complying with the existing 30kph speed limit. The previously overly wide road before encouraged them to break the law by exceeding the posted speed limit. This  newly civilised behaviour makes the area so much nicer to be in: a coffee or wine outside the Lumiere cinema is a lovely way of finishing up the week.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2023 07:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146368&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Im not sure what you are counting Robert. I have lived near Park Tce for 20 years and have never seen congestion like I have with the traffic changes around this mess. Change it back to NORMAL commuter conditions asap.The road is for all. If you don&#039;t like sharing the road ,ride on the footpath provided .It has served the people of ChCh well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146368">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Im not sure what you are counting Robert. I have lived near Park Tce for 20 years and have never seen congestion like I have with the traffic changes around this mess. Change it back to NORMAL commuter conditions asap.The road is for all. If you don&#8217;t like sharing the road ,ride on the footpath provided .It has served the people of ChCh well.</p>
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		By: Ants		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ants]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2023 03:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a ratepayer and a cyclist. Cycling is a great way to travel and get excercise :)
Thanks CCC for the Park Terrace cycle lane, I use it weekly to go to an evening meeting. Pre cycle lane it was difficult in low light to share the pathway next to the road.
During the day there was often bad congestion in the hospital area. Both of those problems are a lot better now with the new cycle lanes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a ratepayer and a cyclist. Cycling is a great way to travel and get excercise 🙂<br />
Thanks CCC for the Park Terrace cycle lane, I use it weekly to go to an evening meeting. Pre cycle lane it was difficult in low light to share the pathway next to the road.<br />
During the day there was often bad congestion in the hospital area. Both of those problems are a lot better now with the new cycle lanes.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2023 20:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146772&quot;&gt;LennyBoy&lt;/a&gt;.

Council staff estimated the cost of widening the path north of Armagh St as between $230 K  and  $250 K . Our mayor reckoned that  $50K would have fixed it easily - at the same time accusing  council staff  of  ‘ running amok ‘.

Widening would have required the removal of the Solidarity Grid art installation and considerable work along one section of the riverbank.  Post quake, a lot of damage to the bank area required fixing.  Do we need more asphalt in the vicinity of the river ?  The stolen lane is working very well.

 Better to spend that money on a safer  crossing to allow pedestrians and cyclists access onto Salisbury St and then some  more dollars creating the post quake  promised cycle lane along Salisbury St to link to the Avon Ōtākaro path to New Brighton from Barbadoes St.  Another important section of the network would then be completed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146772">LennyBoy</a>.</p>
<p>Council staff estimated the cost of widening the path north of Armagh St as between $230 K  and  $250 K . Our mayor reckoned that  $50K would have fixed it easily &#8211; at the same time accusing  council staff  of  ‘ running amok ‘.</p>
<p>Widening would have required the removal of the Solidarity Grid art installation and considerable work along one section of the riverbank.  Post quake, a lot of damage to the bank area required fixing.  Do we need more asphalt in the vicinity of the river ?  The stolen lane is working very well.</p>
<p> Better to spend that money on a safer  crossing to allow pedestrians and cyclists access onto Salisbury St and then some  more dollars creating the post quake  promised cycle lane along Salisbury St to link to the Avon Ōtākaro path to New Brighton from Barbadoes St.  Another important section of the network would then be completed.</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2023 08:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146741&quot;&gt;Lefty&lt;/a&gt;.

The only problem with &quot;extending&quot; (presumably you mean widening) the existing pathway north of Armagh is the time and cost to do this. Converting a traffic lane to a cycleway took 2-3 weeks at minimal cost. Widening the existing path (particularly with the various ground constraints along the way) would be considerably more costly and take months (winter is not an ideal time to do work like that either). And you would still have the problem of a somewhat wider shared path at a time when industry best practice is trying to move away from them in busier areas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146741">Lefty</a>.</p>
<p>The only problem with &#8220;extending&#8221; (presumably you mean widening) the existing pathway north of Armagh is the time and cost to do this. Converting a traffic lane to a cycleway took 2-3 weeks at minimal cost. Widening the existing path (particularly with the various ground constraints along the way) would be considerably more costly and take months (winter is not an ideal time to do work like that either). And you would still have the problem of a somewhat wider shared path at a time when industry best practice is trying to move away from them in busier areas.</p>
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		By: Lefty		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146741</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lefty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2023 01:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kia ora,

I may have a reasonably balanced view as I don&#039;t believe that I fall into any one camp, being a regular cyclist (20 plus times a week), Motorist (10 plus times a week) and pedestrian (currently daily) along the sections in question. Any shared use requires tolerance and consideration, along with a general awareness on how you are impacting on others. 

Cyclists, typically solo, tend to be most aware of their presence and mostly go out of their way not to inconvenience others. The shared use speed demons are typically E-bikes and E-scooters, as opposed to the &quot;acoustic&quot; versions.  Pedestrians (walkers and runners) are typically the least aware of there presence and will randomly use shared use pathways as if they were the only users. It is common for these users to line up across the entire shared use pathway, effectively blocking it for others. I agree that these users still have a right to walk/run with friends and converse.

The cycleway section from Cashel St to Armagh St makes perfect sense as this was the busiest section of shared use pathway. Additionally I have witnessed many car door versus cyclist incidents in this section where cyclists were using the road. The cycleway section between Armagh St and the footbridge makes no sense when considering the room available to extend the existing footpath. 

Kilmore St is a major one way system moving traffic from east to west with multiple lanes hence pointless to restrict it to one lane for a few hundred meters. Any RH turning traffic completely blocks the single lane on Park Tce. At peak times, traffic will que on Kilmore back to Montreal with it taking several sets of lights to get through (all idling traffic). Already I see motorist taking Montreal St and then cutting through on a side street.

Extending the cycleway all the way to Harper Ave only serves to arrive at the most problematic and dangerous point which is the 1m available to turn at the bridge. It&#039;s not uncommon to see motorist mount the footpath at this point.

My recommendation would be to retain the section from Cashel St to Armagh St bridge, extend the footway to the pedestrian bridge and divert cyclists across the river. This option will meet the needs of all parties.

As an aside, the most frustrating users of Hagley park are the cyclists who insist on running 10,000 plus lumen lights, effectively blinding anyone approaching outside of daylight hours. You only need a small front and rear pilot light to be seen by others and park lighting is by and large adequate to see by.

Lets all remember to be tolerant, considerate and aware of how we are impacting on others. 

Lefty]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia ora,</p>
<p>I may have a reasonably balanced view as I don&#8217;t believe that I fall into any one camp, being a regular cyclist (20 plus times a week), Motorist (10 plus times a week) and pedestrian (currently daily) along the sections in question. Any shared use requires tolerance and consideration, along with a general awareness on how you are impacting on others. </p>
<p>Cyclists, typically solo, tend to be most aware of their presence and mostly go out of their way not to inconvenience others. The shared use speed demons are typically E-bikes and E-scooters, as opposed to the &#8220;acoustic&#8221; versions.  Pedestrians (walkers and runners) are typically the least aware of there presence and will randomly use shared use pathways as if they were the only users. It is common for these users to line up across the entire shared use pathway, effectively blocking it for others. I agree that these users still have a right to walk/run with friends and converse.</p>
<p>The cycleway section from Cashel St to Armagh St makes perfect sense as this was the busiest section of shared use pathway. Additionally I have witnessed many car door versus cyclist incidents in this section where cyclists were using the road. The cycleway section between Armagh St and the footbridge makes no sense when considering the room available to extend the existing footpath. </p>
<p>Kilmore St is a major one way system moving traffic from east to west with multiple lanes hence pointless to restrict it to one lane for a few hundred meters. Any RH turning traffic completely blocks the single lane on Park Tce. At peak times, traffic will que on Kilmore back to Montreal with it taking several sets of lights to get through (all idling traffic). Already I see motorist taking Montreal St and then cutting through on a side street.</p>
<p>Extending the cycleway all the way to Harper Ave only serves to arrive at the most problematic and dangerous point which is the 1m available to turn at the bridge. It&#8217;s not uncommon to see motorist mount the footpath at this point.</p>
<p>My recommendation would be to retain the section from Cashel St to Armagh St bridge, extend the footway to the pedestrian bridge and divert cyclists across the river. This option will meet the needs of all parties.</p>
<p>As an aside, the most frustrating users of Hagley park are the cyclists who insist on running 10,000 plus lumen lights, effectively blinding anyone approaching outside of daylight hours. You only need a small front and rear pilot light to be seen by others and park lighting is by and large adequate to see by.</p>
<p>Lets all remember to be tolerant, considerate and aware of how we are impacting on others. </p>
<p>Lefty</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2023 08:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146732&quot;&gt;Alice&lt;/a&gt;.

Even more mysterious is what happened to our promised  Salisbury Street separated cycleway. It’s now 4 years post proposed completion date. 

https://ccc.govt.nz/assets/Documents/The-Council/HYS/2016/october/AAC-Salisbury-Kilmore-Pre-consultation-booklet.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146732">Alice</a>.</p>
<p>Even more mysterious is what happened to our promised  Salisbury Street separated cycleway. It’s now 4 years post proposed completion date. </p>
<p><a href="https://ccc.govt.nz/assets/Documents/The-Council/HYS/2016/october/AAC-Salisbury-Kilmore-Pre-consultation-booklet.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ccc.govt.nz/assets/Documents/The-Council/HYS/2016/october/AAC-Salisbury-Kilmore-Pre-consultation-booklet.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Alice		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2023 03:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146706&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Robert. I couldn&#039;t find any information about why they decided to stop it at the Salisbury St intersection though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/06/01/have-your-say-on-the-park-terrace-cycleway/#comment-146706">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Robert. I couldn&#8217;t find any information about why they decided to stop it at the Salisbury St intersection though.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 05:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Alice - great post. 

This may answer some of your questions. 

https://simonbritten.com/2023/06/23/full-copy-june-2023-rolleston-avenue-park-terrace-cycleway-memo-to-the-waipapa-community-board/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alice &#8211; great post. </p>
<p>This may answer some of your questions. </p>
<p><a href="https://simonbritten.com/2023/06/23/full-copy-june-2023-rolleston-avenue-park-terrace-cycleway-memo-to-the-waipapa-community-board/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://simonbritten.com/2023/06/23/full-copy-june-2023-rolleston-avenue-park-terrace-cycleway-memo-to-the-waipapa-community-board/</a></p>
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