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		By: Jan Jakob		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25975</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Jakob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 10:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25973&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

I solemnly undertake: if the bike parking comes, I&#039;ll make an effort to buy more produce from Crisp.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25973">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>I solemnly undertake: if the bike parking comes, I&#8217;ll make an effort to buy more produce from Crisp.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 07:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25949&quot;&gt;Robert Fleming&lt;/a&gt;.

Jan Jakob - &quot;I don’t think that the businesses there would want that&quot;. That makes it exactly the time to offer this to them, just to see how it goes and win them over. The car park was recently resealed (finally) at I imagine a huge expense and the opportunity to increase the capacity of about 50 spaces to 60 simply with the cost of a bike stand overlooked.  Given the park can reach capacity,  it seems a no brainer to us to add bike parking, but they clearly do not know how many people on bikes have to tie up anywhere and everywhere . The owners of Crisp are super environmentally conscious and I think would love bike parking, but the request needs to go to the landlord. A formal approach from CCC just may start the process.  PS - good on you for telling PT your views. I hint at it occasionally, but like their sausages too much to boycott them entirely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25949">Robert Fleming</a>.</p>
<p>Jan Jakob &#8211; &#8220;I don’t think that the businesses there would want that&#8221;. That makes it exactly the time to offer this to them, just to see how it goes and win them over. The car park was recently resealed (finally) at I imagine a huge expense and the opportunity to increase the capacity of about 50 spaces to 60 simply with the cost of a bike stand overlooked.  Given the park can reach capacity,  it seems a no brainer to us to add bike parking, but they clearly do not know how many people on bikes have to tie up anywhere and everywhere . The owners of Crisp are super environmentally conscious and I think would love bike parking, but the request needs to go to the landlord. A formal approach from CCC just may start the process.  PS &#8211; good on you for telling PT your views. I hint at it occasionally, but like their sausages too much to boycott them entirely.</p>
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		By: Jan Jakob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Jakob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 06:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25969&quot;&gt;Alice&lt;/a&gt;.

The Disraeli maneuvre is strictly speaking only allowed if you leave the cycleway before entering the intersection so that you are governed by the general lights, not the cycleway-specific lights. But I agree that the timing is silly. Why not just have the turning signals go red and switch to green for cyclists. I realise that there are borderline cases where this might make people on Disraeli wait longer, but they&#039;ll survive.
The St Asaph maneuvre appears to be very much the intendend behaviour. There is actually a lowered kerb and a shared path for a &lt;a href=&quot;https://goo.gl/maps/gFpAtSu7Wq52Ho2r5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tiny bit&lt;/a&gt; to allow cyclists going north to switch to the east side. I would of course propose &lt;a href=&quot;https://goo.gl/maps/x1psXwpXewRRreyv9&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; formalising the switching arrangement by building a proper crossing facility for people riding bicycles&lt;/a&gt;. 
PS: I really hope my attempt at using HTML tags worked. Otherwise this comment is going to be a mess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25969">Alice</a>.</p>
<p>The Disraeli maneuvre is strictly speaking only allowed if you leave the cycleway before entering the intersection so that you are governed by the general lights, not the cycleway-specific lights. But I agree that the timing is silly. Why not just have the turning signals go red and switch to green for cyclists. I realise that there are borderline cases where this might make people on Disraeli wait longer, but they&#8217;ll survive.<br />
The St Asaph maneuvre appears to be very much the intendend behaviour. There is actually a lowered kerb and a shared path for a <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/gFpAtSu7Wq52Ho2r5" rel="nofollow">tiny bit</a> to allow cyclists going north to switch to the east side. I would of course propose <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/x1psXwpXewRRreyv9" rel="nofollow"> formalising the switching arrangement by building a proper crossing facility for people riding bicycles</a>.<br />
PS: I really hope my attempt at using HTML tags worked. Otherwise this comment is going to be a mess.</p>
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		By: Alice		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25969</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 06:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That all sounds pretty good. Anything to make cycling trips easier and safer is most welcome.
I just wonder about  points 6 and 18... I have noticed that quite a few cyclists avoid to ride on the painted diamonds along Antigua St (especially before the intersection with Disraeli St) so as NOT to trigger the lights. I now do the same if the light is green for cars (and usually red for bikes) because I&#039;ve understood that by riding on the cycle detection pad, you force the lights to go red for cars and bikes before they go green again. A quick glance behind me to make sure no car is coming saves me the hassle to stop and wait for a full traffic light cycle - which kind of defeats the purpose of these detection pads...
As for the intersection with St Asaph Street, most cyclists (myself included) find the current crossing to go North very slow and frustrating. Instead most people cross on the other side of the road before the intersection, actually riding contra-flow for a little bit, because the bike lights are generally green on that side. 
I&#039;m sure the cycleway planners did not anticipate this type of behaviours, but maybe there is something to learn from them for future developments...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That all sounds pretty good. Anything to make cycling trips easier and safer is most welcome.<br />
I just wonder about  points 6 and 18&#8230; I have noticed that quite a few cyclists avoid to ride on the painted diamonds along Antigua St (especially before the intersection with Disraeli St) so as NOT to trigger the lights. I now do the same if the light is green for cars (and usually red for bikes) because I&#8217;ve understood that by riding on the cycle detection pad, you force the lights to go red for cars and bikes before they go green again. A quick glance behind me to make sure no car is coming saves me the hassle to stop and wait for a full traffic light cycle &#8211; which kind of defeats the purpose of these detection pads&#8230;<br />
As for the intersection with St Asaph Street, most cyclists (myself included) find the current crossing to go North very slow and frustrating. Instead most people cross on the other side of the road before the intersection, actually riding contra-flow for a little bit, because the bike lights are generally green on that side.<br />
I&#8217;m sure the cycleway planners did not anticipate this type of behaviours, but maybe there is something to learn from them for future developments&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jan Jakob		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25965</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Jakob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2019 21:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25949&quot;&gt;Robert Fleming&lt;/a&gt;.

It would be, but I don&#039;t think the businesses there would want that. Trafalgar St is not closed for through-traffic because of the resistance by the Edgeware Village businesses, and the butcher&#039;s only submission to the CNC DEMP was &quot;don&#039;t build a cycleway on Edgeware Road&quot;. Preventing safe cycle infrastructure is all he cared about. I have drawn my conclusions as to how welcome I am as a customer and informed them accordingly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25949">Robert Fleming</a>.</p>
<p>It would be, but I don&#8217;t think the businesses there would want that. Trafalgar St is not closed for through-traffic because of the resistance by the Edgeware Village businesses, and the butcher&#8217;s only submission to the CNC DEMP was &#8220;don&#8217;t build a cycleway on Edgeware Road&#8221;. Preventing safe cycle infrastructure is all he cared about. I have drawn my conclusions as to how welcome I am as a customer and informed them accordingly.</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25950&quot;&gt;Andy&lt;/a&gt;.

The report says that they are about $12k each, so expect to get a few provided...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25950">Andy</a>.</p>
<p>The report says that they are about $12k each, so expect to get a few provided&#8230;</p>
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		By: Andy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2019 05:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A portable bike pellet should not be $170k, in fact they should just about  get 2 for that if they reuse the design shown]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A portable bike pellet should not be $170k, in fact they should just about  get 2 for that if they reuse the design shown</p>
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		By: Robert Fleming		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/07/14/new-central-city-cycling-projects-aim-to-fix-the-little-things/#comment-25949</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Fleming]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2019 03:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It’s all good stuff.  A portable bike parking pallet would be very welcome at the  Edgeware Village off-street car parking area.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s all good stuff.  A portable bike parking pallet would be very welcome at the  Edgeware Village off-street car parking area.</p>
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