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	Comments on: New Walk/Cycle Overbridge planned for Brougham St	</title>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149982</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2023 20:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149826&quot;&gt;LennyBoy&lt;/a&gt;.

It would certainly make sense for solid walls across the roadway (so people can&#039;t drop things there); I&#039;m less convinced about the need for totally non-permeable walls on the ramps. I guess we will see what the final product looks like!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149826">LennyBoy</a>.</p>
<p>It would certainly make sense for solid walls across the roadway (so people can&#8217;t drop things there); I&#8217;m less convinced about the need for totally non-permeable walls on the ramps. I guess we will see what the final product looks like!</p>
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		By: Stephen J		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149939</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149826&quot;&gt;LennyBoy&lt;/a&gt;.

There&#039;s a reference in the presentation to people asking for solid walls, so that made me worry...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149826">LennyBoy</a>.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reference in the presentation to people asking for solid walls, so that made me worry&#8230;</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149826</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2023 00:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149792&quot;&gt;Stephen&lt;/a&gt;.

Note the comment in the article that the design is indicative, not final - the finished product probably won&#039;t actually feature solid walls.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149792">Stephen</a>.</p>
<p>Note the comment in the article that the design is indicative, not final &#8211; the finished product probably won&#8217;t actually feature solid walls.</p>
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		By: Stephen		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149792</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2023 00:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The proposed design for the shared path ramps leading to the bridge are dangerous (bikes turning downhill at speed and negotiating the mobility impaired?) and create unsafe spaces under them.&quot;

Yes, that struck me. Looks like it would be fun for the reckless bike rider to take the curve at speed, but because the walls are solid and fairly high, they won&#039;t see children, short people, people in wheelchairs coming up the ramp... I guess you could mitigate this a bit by using railings or some kind of grille rather than solid wall, but.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The proposed design for the shared path ramps leading to the bridge are dangerous (bikes turning downhill at speed and negotiating the mobility impaired?) and create unsafe spaces under them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, that struck me. Looks like it would be fun for the reckless bike rider to take the curve at speed, but because the walls are solid and fairly high, they won&#8217;t see children, short people, people in wheelchairs coming up the ramp&#8230; I guess you could mitigate this a bit by using railings or some kind of grille rather than solid wall, but.</p>
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		By: Joy Burt		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149713</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joy Burt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2023 21:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Robert;  as a female I definitely prefer being visible to others on a bridge rather than hidden in an underpass.  Absolutely hate the Falsgrave St tunnel under the railway and cycle a longer route whenever by myself.  The advantage of the spiral would be a softer, more gradual gradient suitable for the very young and old.  We are not all fit.  However, I do agree about the solid approaches being more environmentally acceptable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Robert;  as a female I definitely prefer being visible to others on a bridge rather than hidden in an underpass.  Absolutely hate the Falsgrave St tunnel under the railway and cycle a longer route whenever by myself.  The advantage of the spiral would be a softer, more gradual gradient suitable for the very young and old.  We are not all fit.  However, I do agree about the solid approaches being more environmentally acceptable.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149678</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2023 01:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149669&quot;&gt;Criggie&lt;/a&gt;.

Feedback indicated people preferred a bridge, as a tunnel no matter how well lit and kept clean was perceived to be unsafe for those who felt vulnerable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149669">Criggie</a>.</p>
<p>Feedback indicated people preferred a bridge, as a tunnel no matter how well lit and kept clean was perceived to be unsafe for those who felt vulnerable.</p>
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		By: Criggie		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149669</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Criggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 21:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149664&quot;&gt;kiwi_overseas&lt;/a&gt;.

How does a bridge compare to a tunnel?   

Don&#039;t think the dank old railway tunnel between Falsgrave and Mowbray - think the Undertaker at Harewood and Russley Roads.

Both remove conflict, but there&#039;s no chance of people dropping stuff on traffic, with a tunnel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149664">kiwi_overseas</a>.</p>
<p>How does a bridge compare to a tunnel?   </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think the dank old railway tunnel between Falsgrave and Mowbray &#8211; think the Undertaker at Harewood and Russley Roads.</p>
<p>Both remove conflict, but there&#8217;s no chance of people dropping stuff on traffic, with a tunnel.</p>
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		By: Criggie		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149668</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Criggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 21:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149658&quot;&gt;David Ivory&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed I said the same back then - this is the first complete stop after a dozen km of open motorway.
The route should have passed under the bridge at Barrington Street.

I expect similar happening at the as-yet-unopened crossing at Carmen Road though this is not near a motorway.

Main roads and cyclists/pedestrians should not mix whereever possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149658">David Ivory</a>.</p>
<p>Agreed I said the same back then &#8211; this is the first complete stop after a dozen km of open motorway.<br />
The route should have passed under the bridge at Barrington Street.</p>
<p>I expect similar happening at the as-yet-unopened crossing at Carmen Road though this is not near a motorway.</p>
<p>Main roads and cyclists/pedestrians should not mix whereever possible.</p>
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		By: kiwi_overseas		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149664</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kiwi_overseas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 18:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where are the lifts at each end for those that can&#039;t walk up and down the ramps?
A far better solution would have been to retain the at-grade crossing and put large flat speed humps on both approaches.  Having a bridge simply turns the free flowing Brougham St into a motorway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are the lifts at each end for those that can&#8217;t walk up and down the ramps?<br />
A far better solution would have been to retain the at-grade crossing and put large flat speed humps on both approaches.  Having a bridge simply turns the free flowing Brougham St into a motorway.</p>
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		By: David Ivory		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2023/12/03/new-walk-cycle-overbridge-planned-for-brougham-st/#comment-149661</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Ivory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 09:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You can leave comments on the footbridge in this survey form.

https://nzta.au1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_4ZxxYYql0GHKRAW

Waka Kotahi are very big on their &#039;consultations&#039; but are very poor in incorporating any community feedback despite all they say.

I urge anyone interested to complete the survey and add your concerns or support for this footbridge - and the concrete spiral ramps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can leave comments on the footbridge in this survey form.</p>
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<p>Waka Kotahi are very big on their &#8216;consultations&#8217; but are very poor in incorporating any community feedback despite all they say.</p>
<p>I urge anyone interested to complete the survey and add your concerns or support for this footbridge &#8211; and the concrete spiral ramps.</p>
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