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		By: Emma		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-113584</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2020 03:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So what is the solution they are seeking?
 
Pedestrians and cyclists only crossing at controlled intersections such as Main north Road, Cranford street, QE2 drive, Marshlands Rd, Main South Road  for example particularly during peak school travel hours rather than using the back streets. 

Much better than facing the speeding rat racing vehicles who try to avoid the arterials and instead use local or collector roads as heavy traffic arterials. 

Soon they&#039;ll have to put more controlled crossings in local and collector roads which they&#039;ve effectively turned into arterials.  Because safer streets is in the LTCCPs  and the urban development plans, has been for decades. 

 What a mess they&#039;ve created.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is the solution they are seeking?</p>
<p>Pedestrians and cyclists only crossing at controlled intersections such as Main north Road, Cranford street, QE2 drive, Marshlands Rd, Main South Road  for example particularly during peak school travel hours rather than using the back streets. </p>
<p>Much better than facing the speeding rat racing vehicles who try to avoid the arterials and instead use local or collector roads as heavy traffic arterials. </p>
<p>Soon they&#8217;ll have to put more controlled crossings in local and collector roads which they&#8217;ve effectively turned into arterials.  Because safer streets is in the LTCCPs  and the urban development plans, has been for decades. </p>
<p> What a mess they&#8217;ve created.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-111137</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2020 03:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-111067&quot;&gt;CHCH Cyclist&lt;/a&gt;.

Trafalgar Street is bad in so many ways.  Sending thoughts and prayers, there but by the grace of god go I  (-: . 

Yes it may qualify for a ‘greenway’ category based on vehicle counts over a 24 hour period ( Vancouver data examples ) but did they consider a good % of those vehicles travel in a 2 hour window twice a day in a rat-running macho style convoy.  Sadly these also are the times the majority of cyclists who commute would like to enjoy their journey on what as been touted as a major cycleway built to a standard of safe and enjoyable  travel for the 8 to 80 year olds.  And don’t get me started on the Trafalgar St and Edgeware Road intersection.  Solution ?  Cul de sac the street as originally planned, or restrict turning at Edgeware Road to left turn, in and out only. And  do it soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-111067">CHCH Cyclist</a>.</p>
<p>Trafalgar Street is bad in so many ways.  Sending thoughts and prayers, there but by the grace of god go I  (-: . </p>
<p>Yes it may qualify for a ‘greenway’ category based on vehicle counts over a 24 hour period ( Vancouver data examples ) but did they consider a good % of those vehicles travel in a 2 hour window twice a day in a rat-running macho style convoy.  Sadly these also are the times the majority of cyclists who commute would like to enjoy their journey on what as been touted as a major cycleway built to a standard of safe and enjoyable  travel for the 8 to 80 year olds.  And don’t get me started on the Trafalgar St and Edgeware Road intersection.  Solution ?  Cul de sac the street as originally planned, or restrict turning at Edgeware Road to left turn, in and out only. And  do it soon.</p>
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		By: Doug		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-111132</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2020 02:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-111067&quot;&gt;CHCH Cyclist&lt;/a&gt;.

Did the motorist stop on the  broken yellow lines on Trafalgar Street?

In which case they broke the law in order to berate you about an imaginary law. Par for the course with some motorists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-111067">CHCH Cyclist</a>.</p>
<p>Did the motorist stop on the  broken yellow lines on Trafalgar Street?</p>
<p>In which case they broke the law in order to berate you about an imaginary law. Par for the course with some motorists.</p>
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		By: CHCH Cyclist		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-111067</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CHCH Cyclist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2020 20:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[About a month ago, I was riding in the main lane on the north end of Trafalgar Street rather than in the separated cycleway because I needed to turn right onto Courtenay Street. A driver sped up Trafalgar Street behind me and pulled into the right lane to pass me in what was already an unnecessary move (I was going 30 km/h in a 30 zone). Then, just as they were nearly past, they moved into my lane, nearly side-swiping me with the back of their car and causing me to grab my brakes and swerve (and shout). The driver stopped their car in front of me, blocking the lane, and yelled at me angrily to get out of the road - they were of the opinion that I had no right to be there because there was a cycleway available.

So, yes, I sometimes leave the cycleways/cyclelanes - as others have noted, there are always going to be times where people will need to make a manoeuvre that they can&#039;t make from within the cycleways, regardless of their skill level. And, unfortunately, I encounter drivers like the poster almost every day as I bike in this city: blindingly selfish, stupidly aggressive, and completely ignorant of the rules of the road. In my personal experience, I don&#039;t see any improvements happening; if anything, things may be getting worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About a month ago, I was riding in the main lane on the north end of Trafalgar Street rather than in the separated cycleway because I needed to turn right onto Courtenay Street. A driver sped up Trafalgar Street behind me and pulled into the right lane to pass me in what was already an unnecessary move (I was going 30 km/h in a 30 zone). Then, just as they were nearly past, they moved into my lane, nearly side-swiping me with the back of their car and causing me to grab my brakes and swerve (and shout). The driver stopped their car in front of me, blocking the lane, and yelled at me angrily to get out of the road &#8211; they were of the opinion that I had no right to be there because there was a cycleway available.</p>
<p>So, yes, I sometimes leave the cycleways/cyclelanes &#8211; as others have noted, there are always going to be times where people will need to make a manoeuvre that they can&#8217;t make from within the cycleways, regardless of their skill level. And, unfortunately, I encounter drivers like the poster almost every day as I bike in this city: blindingly selfish, stupidly aggressive, and completely ignorant of the rules of the road. In my personal experience, I don&#8217;t see any improvements happening; if anything, things may be getting worse.</p>
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		By: Chris Abbott		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-110601</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Abbott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2020 00:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I often cycle across The (McCormack&#039;s Bay) Causeway.
Depending on wind, energy levels, deadlines and traffic I vary my use between the superb Christchurch Coastal Pathway and the off-road cycle lanes. The CCP is safer and more scenic, while you are on it, but the on-road cycle lanes are generally faster.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often cycle across The (McCormack&#8217;s Bay) Causeway.<br />
Depending on wind, energy levels, deadlines and traffic I vary my use between the superb Christchurch Coastal Pathway and the off-road cycle lanes. The CCP is safer and more scenic, while you are on it, but the on-road cycle lanes are generally faster.</p>
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		By: Criggie		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-110421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Criggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2020 00:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-109602&quot;&gt;Cyclomaniac&lt;/a&gt;.

+1 for the friendly wave effect !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-109602">Cyclomaniac</a>.</p>
<p>+1 for the friendly wave effect !</p>
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		By: Criggie		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-110420</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Criggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2020 00:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes I want to turn right from Durham St North into Chester St West.  Can&#039;t do that from the bike lane.

Sometimes the bike lane isn&#039;t suitable because its got slow riders, walkers, parked cars, road works, vegetation, standing water, mud, poor surface finish, etc in it.  &quot;ride as far left as practical&quot; might just mean to ride the car lane.

Sometimes I want to go roadie-fast and I can do the speed limit.  Tuam/St Asaph street&#039;s are good examples where one can stay with the flow and hit all the greens.  I&#039;m doing the posted speed, why would a driver want to go faster ?

So yes - I occasionally eschew &quot;cycle facilities&quot; and use road vehicle facilities, of which I am one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I want to turn right from Durham St North into Chester St West.  Can&#8217;t do that from the bike lane.</p>
<p>Sometimes the bike lane isn&#8217;t suitable because its got slow riders, walkers, parked cars, road works, vegetation, standing water, mud, poor surface finish, etc in it.  &#8220;ride as far left as practical&#8221; might just mean to ride the car lane.</p>
<p>Sometimes I want to go roadie-fast and I can do the speed limit.  Tuam/St Asaph street&#8217;s are good examples where one can stay with the flow and hit all the greens.  I&#8217;m doing the posted speed, why would a driver want to go faster ?</p>
<p>So yes &#8211; I occasionally eschew &#8220;cycle facilities&#8221; and use road vehicle facilities, of which I am one.</p>
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		By: Павел		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-109724</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Павел]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“The network that we’re creating is making Christchurch one of the most cycle-friendly cities in New Zealand. It is making cycling a safe, convenient option for more people and easing the pressure on our roads.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The network that we’re creating is making Christchurch one of the most cycle-friendly cities in New Zealand. It is making cycling a safe, convenient option for more people and easing the pressure on our roads.</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-109705</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-109602&quot;&gt;Cyclomaniac&lt;/a&gt;.

Nicely said, and I would agree. Most people driving in Chch are pretty good and courteous (and of course sometimes that is us behind the wheel). Unfortunately a very few enraged people spoil it for the rest (and put some people off biking), but then that occasional bad behaviour probably applies both to some people cycling and driving...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2020/11/17/who-are-we-providing-cycleways-for/#comment-109602">Cyclomaniac</a>.</p>
<p>Nicely said, and I would agree. Most people driving in Chch are pretty good and courteous (and of course sometimes that is us behind the wheel). Unfortunately a very few enraged people spoil it for the rest (and put some people off biking), but then that occasional bad behaviour probably applies both to some people cycling and driving&#8230;</p>
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		By: Cyclomaniac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclomaniac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2020 19:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to think that the poster is not representative for most drivers. I can only speak from personal experience but over the past few year I have noticed I huge improvement in behavior towards cyclists. It is good that the poster is given the cold, hard facts on this. Very likely this will not change his opinion but it will inform others. To me, the likes of this poster struggle to grasp a complex intricate world with lots of shades of grey. It is much easier to divide the world in “they versus us”. Whether something is legal or not does not depend on the act that has been committed but on who has committed it. Speeding and running red lights is appalling when cyclists do it but fine when you a driver and are in a hurry. Roads belong to drivers as and because they pay lot of taxes they are the king of the road. 

We should not let us divide this way! I know lots of people who drive and not cycle and they are perfectly reasonable people. Most cyclists are drivers too and an increasing numbers of drivers have become cyclists over the past few years. If you are on the bike do your cycling advocacy work and be courteous and considerate towards other road users. A friendly wave when you get the right of way or when a driver slows down for you goes a long way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to think that the poster is not representative for most drivers. I can only speak from personal experience but over the past few year I have noticed I huge improvement in behavior towards cyclists. It is good that the poster is given the cold, hard facts on this. Very likely this will not change his opinion but it will inform others. To me, the likes of this poster struggle to grasp a complex intricate world with lots of shades of grey. It is much easier to divide the world in “they versus us”. Whether something is legal or not does not depend on the act that has been committed but on who has committed it. Speeding and running red lights is appalling when cyclists do it but fine when you a driver and are in a hurry. Roads belong to drivers as and because they pay lot of taxes they are the king of the road. </p>
<p>We should not let us divide this way! I know lots of people who drive and not cycle and they are perfectly reasonable people. Most cyclists are drivers too and an increasing numbers of drivers have become cyclists over the past few years. If you are on the bike do your cycling advocacy work and be courteous and considerate towards other road users. A friendly wave when you get the right of way or when a driver slows down for you goes a long way.</p>
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