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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/11/08/flashback-friday-is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-68191</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2020 06:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/11/08/flashback-friday-is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-35126&quot;&gt;Adrian&lt;/a&gt;.

Marlene, I too have that fear and it is what makes my driving behaviour as courteous and responsible as possible, particularly around those on bikes.I know how unpredictable all other road users can be, and know in the case of a bike rider there is often good reason for them riding in the middle of the lane or stopping at the front of the intersection. If you are in a position to be seen on a bike, the risk of accident is less. 

This article was written nearly 8 years ago at a time when roading infrastructure was dire in Christchurch , particularly for those who ride a bike. Safety and service for those on a bikes was a lower  priority than it is now, yet despite huge improvements over recent years tragedies still happen.
The latest only yesterday. 

Registration for those who ride bikes has not proved to be feasible.  Few  ( if any ) countries in the world  have a registration system (of the type you would like )  - for instance Japan registers  bikes for insurance purposes   only. Firstly, it would cost more to administer than it would receive in benefits. It  would be rather unwieldy to charge children.  Thirdly, those who commit an infringement when riding a bike are already subject to penalties just as any other road user. Fourthly, those who go on to the urban roads with their bikes have paid for that bit of space in the same way any other road user has, through rates and general taxation. 

The provision of good  cycle infrastructure pays dividends to the population quite handsomely. This is through reduced wear and tear on the roads, better efficiency of moving people per area of space allocated,  environmental benefits and a healthier population, as evidenced in 
European countries. The better the infrastructure is, the more people will use it, benefitting all road users. ( The Netherlands has been deemed the best country in the world to use a car, because such a high % of the journeys taken are by other modes of transport )

It’s all about getting around Marlene.  In the safest, most enjoyable and efficient  way possible,  using the transport option that suits each of us the best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/11/08/flashback-friday-is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-35126">Adrian</a>.</p>
<p>Marlene, I too have that fear and it is what makes my driving behaviour as courteous and responsible as possible, particularly around those on bikes.I know how unpredictable all other road users can be, and know in the case of a bike rider there is often good reason for them riding in the middle of the lane or stopping at the front of the intersection. If you are in a position to be seen on a bike, the risk of accident is less. </p>
<p>This article was written nearly 8 years ago at a time when roading infrastructure was dire in Christchurch , particularly for those who ride a bike. Safety and service for those on a bikes was a lower  priority than it is now, yet despite huge improvements over recent years tragedies still happen.<br />
The latest only yesterday. </p>
<p>Registration for those who ride bikes has not proved to be feasible.  Few  ( if any ) countries in the world  have a registration system (of the type you would like )  &#8211; for instance Japan registers  bikes for insurance purposes   only. Firstly, it would cost more to administer than it would receive in benefits. It  would be rather unwieldy to charge children.  Thirdly, those who commit an infringement when riding a bike are already subject to penalties just as any other road user. Fourthly, those who go on to the urban roads with their bikes have paid for that bit of space in the same way any other road user has, through rates and general taxation. </p>
<p>The provision of good  cycle infrastructure pays dividends to the population quite handsomely. This is through reduced wear and tear on the roads, better efficiency of moving people per area of space allocated,  environmental benefits and a healthier population, as evidenced in<br />
European countries. The better the infrastructure is, the more people will use it, benefitting all road users. ( The Netherlands has been deemed the best country in the world to use a car, because such a high % of the journeys taken are by other modes of transport )</p>
<p>It’s all about getting around Marlene.  In the safest, most enjoyable and efficient  way possible,  using the transport option that suits each of us the best.</p>
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		By: Marlene Wilson		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/11/08/flashback-friday-is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-67862</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marlene Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2020 20:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/11/08/flashback-friday-is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-35157&quot;&gt;Emma&lt;/a&gt;.

I am always afraid when a cyclist is near.  Cyclists need to ride in their very expensive  cycle lanes. Your sarcasm will not engender empathy for your cause. Cyclists are quite arrogant the way they park in front of your car at the lights, those who bike across waiting traffic at lights, who ignore the lights and cycle off when they find it convenient.  I loathe what the cycleways have done to our uncomplicated city, especially the raised berms. We seem to have some loopy people who imagine that  they can ride in packs and intimidate people in cars or other motorised traffic.  I think all cylists should be registered so they can be reported when seen breaking the law. The registration money would help pay for the expense of the cycleways, as motorists do for the roads we all travel on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/11/08/flashback-friday-is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-35157">Emma</a>.</p>
<p>I am always afraid when a cyclist is near.  Cyclists need to ride in their very expensive  cycle lanes. Your sarcasm will not engender empathy for your cause. Cyclists are quite arrogant the way they park in front of your car at the lights, those who bike across waiting traffic at lights, who ignore the lights and cycle off when they find it convenient.  I loathe what the cycleways have done to our uncomplicated city, especially the raised berms. We seem to have some loopy people who imagine that  they can ride in packs and intimidate people in cars or other motorised traffic.  I think all cylists should be registered so they can be reported when seen breaking the law. The registration money would help pay for the expense of the cycleways, as motorists do for the roads we all travel on.</p>
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		By: RandomRemarker		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/11/08/flashback-friday-is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-35870</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/11/08/flashback-friday-is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-35136&quot;&gt;Emma&lt;/a&gt;.

I stopped using that end of Springs Road a month or so back after several separate instances of intimidation. The worst and final straw for me was a very large truck drove within inches of my back wheel tooting its horn whilst I was doing 32km / hr in the 30km section. I instead now go all the way along to Shands Road and double back to Prebbleton.

The 50km and works end signs bang slap in the middle of the cycle lane in Prebbleton would be tolerable if they actually made drivers slow , but of course they don&#039;t.  Such signs make me choose between swerving out into speeding traffic or to dismount, lift my bike up over the kerb and illegally ride on the very narrow non shared section of footpath.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/11/08/flashback-friday-is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-35136">Emma</a>.</p>
<p>I stopped using that end of Springs Road a month or so back after several separate instances of intimidation. The worst and final straw for me was a very large truck drove within inches of my back wheel tooting its horn whilst I was doing 32km / hr in the 30km section. I instead now go all the way along to Shands Road and double back to Prebbleton.</p>
<p>The 50km and works end signs bang slap in the middle of the cycle lane in Prebbleton would be tolerable if they actually made drivers slow , but of course they don&#8217;t.  Such signs make me choose between swerving out into speeding traffic or to dismount, lift my bike up over the kerb and illegally ride on the very narrow non shared section of footpath.</p>
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		By: Emma		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course in reality it is us who needs to change. We need to take that pill which will lower our IQ, then we can lack self awareness, decency and the effects of our actions on others.  Just like the majority. It&#039;ll be great. After all the world is apparently a much brighter place when you lower your mind for it. Thank you minusIQ sleep thinker for that suggestion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course in reality it is us who needs to change. We need to take that pill which will lower our IQ, then we can lack self awareness, decency and the effects of our actions on others.  Just like the majority. It&#8217;ll be great. After all the world is apparently a much brighter place when you lower your mind for it. Thank you minusIQ sleep thinker for that suggestion.</p>
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		By: Emma		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/11/08/flashback-friday-is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-35136</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 06:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for raising this topic. I&#039;ve been thinking a lot about the tragic events last week and the subsequents focus of national media on typical vested interests such as, moving a few cones and she&#039;s fixed, parking at the hospital, escooter safety. 

First off my utmost sympathies to the family. I feel shattered for them and wish I had answers as to how to prevent this happening again, but I don&#039;t. because until minds and ears are open we, the minority cannot be responsible for improved outcomes. And this will happen again. 

There are many areas in this city which I now refuse to cycle because I perceive them to be too high risk. Yet our central government talks about climate change and actively promotes cycling while enacting structural change which continually magnitudes that risk. 

Until the majority is inconvenienced through sufficient system failure, the government will say one thing while acting differently. So I will support whatever initiatives are implemented (like using the hospital stop and surrounds which are a step forward) But I will not put my life in the hands of those who have no idea what they&#039;re doing. You would think that the lives lost already are examples of system failure enough.  In reality the majority will make that call, rest assured the way they are heading the system will fail in a matter which severely inconveniences the majority who will cry for themselves the loudest and demand change. It&#039;s a matter of when.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for raising this topic. I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about the tragic events last week and the subsequents focus of national media on typical vested interests such as, moving a few cones and she&#8217;s fixed, parking at the hospital, escooter safety. </p>
<p>First off my utmost sympathies to the family. I feel shattered for them and wish I had answers as to how to prevent this happening again, but I don&#8217;t. because until minds and ears are open we, the minority cannot be responsible for improved outcomes. And this will happen again. </p>
<p>There are many areas in this city which I now refuse to cycle because I perceive them to be too high risk. Yet our central government talks about climate change and actively promotes cycling while enacting structural change which continually magnitudes that risk. </p>
<p>Until the majority is inconvenienced through sufficient system failure, the government will say one thing while acting differently. So I will support whatever initiatives are implemented (like using the hospital stop and surrounds which are a step forward) But I will not put my life in the hands of those who have no idea what they&#8217;re doing. You would think that the lives lost already are examples of system failure enough.  In reality the majority will make that call, rest assured the way they are heading the system will fail in a matter which severely inconveniences the majority who will cry for themselves the loudest and demand change. It&#8217;s a matter of when.</p>
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		By: Adrian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 18:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The feeling continues...
The concept of ownership and rights have got any better. Car drivers act as if they own the lane, get grumpy if in the short term they are slowed and are oblivious to the fact that if they lowered their speed to that of the cyclists they pass only to slow again at the corner, or stop at the tailback caused by the lights Ahead that the traffic would move more consistently and safely. 
It’s a perpetual frustration for me as I commute between meetings that traffic passes dangerously, overtakes, takes the lane and then slows to navigate a corner in the mistaken idea that they own the right to the space I’m in.

I don’t think things have improved, probably worsened. Add to this they also get peeved when the lesser mortals on two wheels are not on the designated cycle path, despite that path not supporting the direction they need to take, OR traffic needed to be navigated across.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The feeling continues&#8230;<br />
The concept of ownership and rights have got any better. Car drivers act as if they own the lane, get grumpy if in the short term they are slowed and are oblivious to the fact that if they lowered their speed to that of the cyclists they pass only to slow again at the corner, or stop at the tailback caused by the lights Ahead that the traffic would move more consistently and safely.<br />
It’s a perpetual frustration for me as I commute between meetings that traffic passes dangerously, overtakes, takes the lane and then slows to navigate a corner in the mistaken idea that they own the right to the space I’m in.</p>
<p>I don’t think things have improved, probably worsened. Add to this they also get peeved when the lesser mortals on two wheels are not on the designated cycle path, despite that path not supporting the direction they need to take, OR traffic needed to be navigated across.</p>
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