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		By: Car-centric carriageway clogging culture continues in Christchurch [3A]: Accessible City sabotaged (2) &#8211; Christchurch Transport Blog		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27444</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Car-centric carriageway clogging culture continues in Christchurch [3A]: Accessible City sabotaged (2) &#8211; Christchurch Transport Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 13:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] in his Cycling in Christchurch blog highlights this very succinctly in a recent post called &#8220;Local Government – Muddling through Democracy&#8220;. One example he highlighted is the High Street redevelopment. I made a submission on this [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in his Cycling in Christchurch blog highlights this very succinctly in a recent post called &#8220;Local Government – Muddling through Democracy&#8220;. One example he highlighted is the High Street redevelopment. I made a submission on this [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Patrick Dunford		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27441</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Dunford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 12:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A very good assessment of the way the council operates, and it turns into a whole heap of issues over time. The city essentially is divided into haves and have nots all over the place because of what essentially amounts to focusing their responses on those communities that have the time and resources to campaign long and loud.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good assessment of the way the council operates, and it turns into a whole heap of issues over time. The city essentially is divided into haves and have nots all over the place because of what essentially amounts to focusing their responses on those communities that have the time and resources to campaign long and loud.</p>
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		By: Jan Jakob		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27148</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Jakob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 09:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27125&quot;&gt;Jan Jakob&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s what I think to. Unless the project is a cycling project anyways, there is little attention that is being paid to the development of a cycling network that encourages a shift in transport habits. Just some random infrastructure that doesn&#039;t link up or is as good as it could be if user voices were heard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27125">Jan Jakob</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I think to. Unless the project is a cycling project anyways, there is little attention that is being paid to the development of a cycling network that encourages a shift in transport habits. Just some random infrastructure that doesn&#8217;t link up or is as good as it could be if user voices were heard.</p>
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		By: Jan Jakob		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27146</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Jakob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 09:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27135&quot;&gt;Jan Jakob&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed on Victoria St vs &quot;CBD&quot;. Since the city promenade opened, I shifted my commute to go along Oxford Terrace in the afternoons, and Cashel St/Oxford Tce are always lively and keep getting busier; I am still annoyed about the Peebles submissions to the High St redesign, but I can&#039;t wait to be able to do my grocery shopping in the market on my way home with my bike instead of having to go to the grocery store in a mall. Victoria Street, although closer to where I live (and also on a potential commute route), I can count on one hand the number of times I have been there.  There is nothing that invites me to that street, and nothing in the redesign that will do that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27135">Jan Jakob</a>.</p>
<p>Agreed on Victoria St vs &#8220;CBD&#8221;. Since the city promenade opened, I shifted my commute to go along Oxford Terrace in the afternoons, and Cashel St/Oxford Tce are always lively and keep getting busier; I am still annoyed about the Peebles submissions to the High St redesign, but I can&#8217;t wait to be able to do my grocery shopping in the market on my way home with my bike instead of having to go to the grocery store in a mall. Victoria Street, although closer to where I live (and also on a potential commute route), I can count on one hand the number of times I have been there.  There is nothing that invites me to that street, and nothing in the redesign that will do that.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27140</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 04:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27135&quot;&gt;Jan Jakob&lt;/a&gt;.

“but it’s a walk in a pure pedestrian area, and that is what is attractive about it “. 

So so true..... walking in the CBD is becoming more and more attractive too and it feels as though there are more and more people doing it.  This is why I have written off areas like Victoria Street as being a place to feel relaxed around and opening up  the wallet.  Much more confident about the CBD though.  As Sara said chipping away at it will achieve baby steps;  small wins add up to good progress eventually.   40 years plus in some countries that we eye up enviously.   It would be sad and expensive however if High Street needs a revisit in a short number of years simply because of lack of foresight by those who we empower to make decisions for our future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27135">Jan Jakob</a>.</p>
<p>“but it’s a walk in a pure pedestrian area, and that is what is attractive about it “. </p>
<p>So so true&#8230;.. walking in the CBD is becoming more and more attractive too and it feels as though there are more and more people doing it.  This is why I have written off areas like Victoria Street as being a place to feel relaxed around and opening up  the wallet.  Much more confident about the CBD though.  As Sara said chipping away at it will achieve baby steps;  small wins add up to good progress eventually.   40 years plus in some countries that we eye up enviously.   It would be sad and expensive however if High Street needs a revisit in a short number of years simply because of lack of foresight by those who we empower to make decisions for our future.</p>
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		By: Simon Barnard		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27138</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Barnard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 03:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27123&quot;&gt;Sara T&lt;/a&gt;.

Big thanks to you and all the others at Council working so hard to make our communities worth living in. 

Disappointing that the Community Board rejects safety in favor of political expediency. 

I had thought the piece ended on a positive note with encouragement to get involved. That things are the way they are is why many more of us need to give a little of our time to make life better. It is not that hard and the rewards can be great.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27123">Sara T</a>.</p>
<p>Big thanks to you and all the others at Council working so hard to make our communities worth living in. </p>
<p>Disappointing that the Community Board rejects safety in favor of political expediency. </p>
<p>I had thought the piece ended on a positive note with encouragement to get involved. That things are the way they are is why many more of us need to give a little of our time to make life better. It is not that hard and the rewards can be great.</p>
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		By: Simon Barnard		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27137</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Barnard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 03:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27125&quot;&gt;Jan Jakob&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your comments. 

The inertia of decades of submissions calling for better cycle infrastructure has definitely resulted in Council waking up to their responsibility. While submissions from people who cycle have not resulted in major changes there have been some wins, mainly when the problems identified were blatant and easily dealt with. 
The problem I have attempted to focus on is that Council remains stuck in car centric planning, fails to engage with people who cycle while actively pandering to certain elite interests. As you note on Cranford st. this produces unsafe infrastructure which will not attract interested but concerned riders and locks people into car dependency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27125">Jan Jakob</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments. </p>
<p>The inertia of decades of submissions calling for better cycle infrastructure has definitely resulted in Council waking up to their responsibility. While submissions from people who cycle have not resulted in major changes there have been some wins, mainly when the problems identified were blatant and easily dealt with.<br />
The problem I have attempted to focus on is that Council remains stuck in car centric planning, fails to engage with people who cycle while actively pandering to certain elite interests. As you note on Cranford st. this produces unsafe infrastructure which will not attract interested but concerned riders and locks people into car dependency.</p>
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		By: Jan Jakob		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27135</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Jakob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 03:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27127&quot;&gt;Andrew Evans&lt;/a&gt;.

The preferred plan envisions 31 parking spots between Tuam St and Cashel St on High St. People on bicycles will partially be directed in a strip between parked cars and the tram tracks between Lichfield and Tuam St, meaning that in case a door gets opened, people will have a choice between slamming into an opened door or getting their wheel stuck in tram tracks. It is hard to characterise that section of High St as being an anti-parking/pro-cycling scheme. I know you cycle to work every day, but that doesn&#039;t mean that your needs for a safe infrastructure are the same as every other person who has the ability to use active transport if only that would have the same level of incentives as driving has.
Further, the simple fact is that the split between people wanting the area to have less parking and those wanting more parking was almost even, and yet staff only prepared a pro-parking option.
Finally my usual remark: people go on about the convenient parking in malls. From the second level of the parking on Northlands to the movie theatre, it’s a walk of over 500m, but it’s a walk in a pure pedestrian area, and that is what is attractive about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27127">Andrew Evans</a>.</p>
<p>The preferred plan envisions 31 parking spots between Tuam St and Cashel St on High St. People on bicycles will partially be directed in a strip between parked cars and the tram tracks between Lichfield and Tuam St, meaning that in case a door gets opened, people will have a choice between slamming into an opened door or getting their wheel stuck in tram tracks. It is hard to characterise that section of High St as being an anti-parking/pro-cycling scheme. I know you cycle to work every day, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that your needs for a safe infrastructure are the same as every other person who has the ability to use active transport if only that would have the same level of incentives as driving has.<br />
Further, the simple fact is that the split between people wanting the area to have less parking and those wanting more parking was almost even, and yet staff only prepared a pro-parking option.<br />
Finally my usual remark: people go on about the convenient parking in malls. From the second level of the parking on Northlands to the movie theatre, it’s a walk of over 500m, but it’s a walk in a pure pedestrian area, and that is what is attractive about it.</p>
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		By: Simon Barnard		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27134</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Barnard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 03:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27127&quot;&gt;Andrew Evans&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your information. The minutes of the 15.8 meeting are not up on the Council&#039;s site. Hopefully some good bits will be delivered. 

I really appreciate that you clarify that staff were complicit in helping out the landlords. I take it David East was the Councillor?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27127">Andrew Evans</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your information. The minutes of the 15.8 meeting are not up on the Council&#8217;s site. Hopefully some good bits will be delivered. </p>
<p>I really appreciate that you clarify that staff were complicit in helping out the landlords. I take it David East was the Councillor?</p>
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		By: Andrew Evans		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/08/17/local-government-muddling-through-democracy/#comment-27127</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 02:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are incorrect about the High st project, council staff &#038; a certain councillor rammed through their car park reducing/ cycle friendly scheme on the northern most blocks, on the south most block/ lower high st there is likely to be a dedicated cycle lane north and south a slow shared lane (one way) &#038; hopefully a boat lost of cycle parks &#038; wide footpaths/landscaping, there is a real chance of a win-win for everyone on lower high st.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are incorrect about the High st project, council staff &amp; a certain councillor rammed through their car park reducing/ cycle friendly scheme on the northern most blocks, on the south most block/ lower high st there is likely to be a dedicated cycle lane north and south a slow shared lane (one way) &amp; hopefully a boat lost of cycle parks &amp; wide footpaths/landscaping, there is a real chance of a win-win for everyone on lower high st.</p>
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