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		By: BikingMad		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-20533</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BikingMad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2019 17:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-19847&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

My experience of riding on Christchurch cycleways  is that you are actually safer to have to give way to cars as you can never be quite sure if the cars are going to give way even when they are meant to.  When I first started riding my bike on the cycleways all the lovely green paint gave me a false sense of security. After having had numerous near misses with cars racing across cycleways without even looking for cyclists I now have a strict policy that I treat every motor vehicle as if it is out to kill me.  I figure that legally being not at fault is of no use to me if dead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-19847">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>My experience of riding on Christchurch cycleways  is that you are actually safer to have to give way to cars as you can never be quite sure if the cars are going to give way even when they are meant to.  When I first started riding my bike on the cycleways all the lovely green paint gave me a false sense of security. After having had numerous near misses with cars racing across cycleways without even looking for cyclists I now have a strict policy that I treat every motor vehicle as if it is out to kill me.  I figure that legally being not at fault is of no use to me if dead.</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-20216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2019 01:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-20146&quot;&gt;Jan Jakob Bornheim&lt;/a&gt;.

Trpt for Chch are certainly confused, and I got the original advice directly from Ōtākaro staff. As you note, the bylaws also make clear the exemption, although I could happily leave out the two-way on-road provision for the last section towards Hagley/Riccarton Ave.

Ōtākaro didn&#039;t originally want to add extra sign &quot;clutter&quot; to the Promenade, only adding it later if need be. Personally I don&#039;t think a few small contra-flow cycling signs at the start/end of each block are very jarring to the layout, but certainly would add a lot of clarity...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-20146">Jan Jakob Bornheim</a>.</p>
<p>Trpt for Chch are certainly confused, and I got the original advice directly from Ōtākaro staff. As you note, the bylaws also make clear the exemption, although I could happily leave out the two-way on-road provision for the last section towards Hagley/Riccarton Ave.</p>
<p>Ōtākaro didn&#8217;t originally want to add extra sign &#8220;clutter&#8221; to the Promenade, only adding it later if need be. Personally I don&#8217;t think a few small contra-flow cycling signs at the start/end of each block are very jarring to the layout, but certainly would add a lot of clarity&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jan Jakob Bornheim		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-20147</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Jakob Bornheim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2019 00:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-20146&quot;&gt;Jan Jakob Bornheim&lt;/a&gt;.

Aargh, a goblin (me, putting the URL in angle brackets) has removed all links from my comment. Anyways, the most important one is the last one to my discussion with the Transport in Christchurch people: https://www.facebook.com/TransportChCh/posts/2329003927331163?comment_id=2329189663979256&#038;reply_comment_id=2329298860635003]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-20146">Jan Jakob Bornheim</a>.</p>
<p>Aargh, a goblin (me, putting the URL in angle brackets) has removed all links from my comment. Anyways, the most important one is the last one to my discussion with the Transport in Christchurch people: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/TransportChCh/posts/2329003927331163?comment_id=2329189663979256&#038;reply_comment_id=2329298860635003" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/TransportChCh/posts/2329003927331163?comment_id=2329189663979256&#038;reply_comment_id=2329298860635003</a></p>
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		By: Jan Jakob Bornheim		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-20146</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Jakob Bornheim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2019 00:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi,
I am curious about the cycle exemption regarding the one-way traffic on the road. Both Transport for Christchurch  as well as Ōtākaro Ltd claim that the road itself is one-directional for *all* vehicles, but if that is the case, it is my understanding there would need to be a bylaw/resolution that abolished the cycle exemption after it was introduced in 2014/15 (I have set out my understanding here ). So are they simply wrong, or am I missing something? Also, if I am not wrong, are there any plans to make it clear to cyclists that they are allowed to use the road in both directions? I find that the tiled section can become quite crowded, so I prefer using the asphalted section, but I am not keen on getting into an argument with a motorized road user without any signage to back me up.
Cheers,
Jan Jakob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I am curious about the cycle exemption regarding the one-way traffic on the road. Both Transport for Christchurch  as well as Ōtākaro Ltd claim that the road itself is one-directional for *all* vehicles, but if that is the case, it is my understanding there would need to be a bylaw/resolution that abolished the cycle exemption after it was introduced in 2014/15 (I have set out my understanding here ). So are they simply wrong, or am I missing something? Also, if I am not wrong, are there any plans to make it clear to cyclists that they are allowed to use the road in both directions? I find that the tiled section can become quite crowded, so I prefer using the asphalted section, but I am not keen on getting into an argument with a motorized road user without any signage to back me up.<br />
Cheers,<br />
Jan Jakob</p>
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		By: Sara T		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-20084</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sara T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2019 21:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi All - info (from last week) on cycle parking provision for the promenade... “I am advised that to determine potential cycle parking requirements as part of the &quot;Cycling accessibility” project, staff from the Transport Unit are going to walk the Promenade on Wednesday of this week with the project manager from Ōtākaro. They intend to identify where Ōtākaro are putting cycle parking and to create a list of potential sites for more cycle parking. This information will be put forward as one of a range of proposed projects for discussion with ITE and then subsequently submitted for formal approval.”
Should have been done early with he original design work -but at least it is happening :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All &#8211; info (from last week) on cycle parking provision for the promenade&#8230; “I am advised that to determine potential cycle parking requirements as part of the &#8220;Cycling accessibility” project, staff from the Transport Unit are going to walk the Promenade on Wednesday of this week with the project manager from Ōtākaro. They intend to identify where Ōtākaro are putting cycle parking and to create a list of potential sites for more cycle parking. This information will be put forward as one of a range of proposed projects for discussion with ITE and then subsequently submitted for formal approval.”<br />
Should have been done early with he original design work -but at least it is happening 🙂</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-19875</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-19870&quot;&gt;Wendy&lt;/a&gt;.

Not so great in the wet winter on either side though; still waiting for them to produce an all-weather riding surface here...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-19870">Wendy</a>.</p>
<p>Not so great in the wet winter on either side though; still waiting for them to produce an all-weather riding surface here&#8230;</p>
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		By: Wendy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2019 06:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It’s fabulous. At Manchester St, just turn north - just over the bridge on Cambridge Tce side is the safe crossing point for cycles, lights there and you can continue on either side of the river to Kilmore, but riding through the poplars on Cambridge Tce (north side)  there is less pedestrians than beside Margaret Mahy.   Enjoy !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s fabulous. At Manchester St, just turn north &#8211; just over the bridge on Cambridge Tce side is the safe crossing point for cycles, lights there and you can continue on either side of the river to Kilmore, but riding through the poplars on Cambridge Tce (north side)  there is less pedestrians than beside Margaret Mahy.   Enjoy !</p>
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		By: Alice		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-19851</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The bike parking issue seems to be getting rectified - last week about 5-6 bike stands were installed next to the Earthquake Memorial, by the water fountain at the intersection with Montreal. I&#039;ve had good experiences using the covered bike parking offered at the Bus Interchange and Lichfield St parking building.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bike parking issue seems to be getting rectified &#8211; last week about 5-6 bike stands were installed next to the Earthquake Memorial, by the water fountain at the intersection with Montreal. I&#8217;ve had good experiences using the covered bike parking offered at the Bus Interchange and Lichfield St parking building.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-19845&quot;&gt;Dirk&lt;/a&gt;.

Could it be Dirk for the same legal reason that the cycle path along Collins Street requires cyclists to give way to traffic turning in and out of both Macaulay and Emerson Streets ?  If so, I think the law needs looking at.  A little niggle at the roundabout going north along the shared path  on the east side of Antigua is that the line of sight to the Antigua Street Bridge is to shoot onto  the roundabout, avoiding that crossing and all of the pedestrians up until the bridge approach. Until you get to the kerb, that is and either have to dismount, or return back to the shared path.  I know the reasoning behind this, but it is  an irritation all the same.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2019/01/13/the-oxford-promenade-a-new-way-through-town/#comment-19845">Dirk</a>.</p>
<p>Could it be Dirk for the same legal reason that the cycle path along Collins Street requires cyclists to give way to traffic turning in and out of both Macaulay and Emerson Streets ?  If so, I think the law needs looking at.  A little niggle at the roundabout going north along the shared path  on the east side of Antigua is that the line of sight to the Antigua Street Bridge is to shoot onto  the roundabout, avoiding that crossing and all of the pedestrians up until the bridge approach. Until you get to the kerb, that is and either have to dismount, or return back to the shared path.  I know the reasoning behind this, but it is  an irritation all the same.</p>
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		By: Dirk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the second photo of Oxford Tce entry from the Antigua roundabout there are give way signs for the cycle/pedestrian traffic heading north/south on Antigua. Why is this? 

Oxford Tce is not an arterial or major route of any kind for car traffic, yet cars are given priority over people using a major cycle/pedestrian route. Is this a fault of our outdated traffic laws or just the typical incompetence of Otakaro planners?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the second photo of Oxford Tce entry from the Antigua roundabout there are give way signs for the cycle/pedestrian traffic heading north/south on Antigua. Why is this? </p>
<p>Oxford Tce is not an arterial or major route of any kind for car traffic, yet cars are given priority over people using a major cycle/pedestrian route. Is this a fault of our outdated traffic laws or just the typical incompetence of Otakaro planners?</p>
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