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	Comments on: Cycleway and speed consultations underway	</title>
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		By: BikingMad		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14327</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BikingMad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2018 20:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would have thought that about the section of the Little River Link beside the Southern Motorway. As I ride it most days I can tell you that is not the case.  There has been massive development of new housing in and around Halswell with more to come. They also have planned swales and park like areas alongside Sparkes Road. So my prediction is that there will be numerous people out for walk with and without dogs. I think is is great that people will likely be using the area for such activities, I just think that if they have the space (and they do) then make two separate paths because they are not going to suddenly start keep left in a hurry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought that about the section of the Little River Link beside the Southern Motorway. As I ride it most days I can tell you that is not the case.  There has been massive development of new housing in and around Halswell with more to come. They also have planned swales and park like areas alongside Sparkes Road. So my prediction is that there will be numerous people out for walk with and without dogs. I think is is great that people will likely be using the area for such activities, I just think that if they have the space (and they do) then make two separate paths because they are not going to suddenly start keep left in a hurry.</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14300</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2018 09:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14298&quot;&gt;BikingMad&lt;/a&gt;.

Fortunately I would be surprised if many people walked along this particular section of shared path; it is long and doesn&#039;t connect to much along the way. So in practice, it will be just a cycleway 95% of the time I&#039;d say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14298">BikingMad</a>.</p>
<p>Fortunately I would be surprised if many people walked along this particular section of shared path; it is long and doesn&#8217;t connect to much along the way. So in practice, it will be just a cycleway 95% of the time I&#8217;d say.</p>
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		By: BikingMad		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14298</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BikingMad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2018 09:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14140&quot;&gt;Malamute&lt;/a&gt;.

Also you need to think about what my original post was related to ... The Quarrymans Trail amended plans. Originally it was to be a cycleway from Halswell to Town. But a large section is now proposed to be more ridiculous shared pathway. I was pointing out that shared paths don&#039;t work very well because pedestrians won&#039;t keep left.  They end up being obstacle courses . Cycleways need to be cycleways otherwise they are a waste of money.  Cyclists seem to know what shared means, but pedestrians and dogs in my experience don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14140">Malamute</a>.</p>
<p>Also you need to think about what my original post was related to &#8230; The Quarrymans Trail amended plans. Originally it was to be a cycleway from Halswell to Town. But a large section is now proposed to be more ridiculous shared pathway. I was pointing out that shared paths don&#8217;t work very well because pedestrians won&#8217;t keep left.  They end up being obstacle courses . Cycleways need to be cycleways otherwise they are a waste of money.  Cyclists seem to know what shared means, but pedestrians and dogs in my experience don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: BikingMad		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14289</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BikingMad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2018 05:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14140&quot;&gt;Malamute&lt;/a&gt;.

Your missing the point, I too am retired and hearing impaired,  the intolerance is of all the NON cyclists REFUSING TO KEEP LEFT  regardless of age and abilities. If they would just keep left it would not matter what  they did and it would be their own fault if they got a fright as you pass them. The problem is you can&#039;t get past and if you swerve onto the grass to get past you are likely to come off in soft mud etc when wet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14140">Malamute</a>.</p>
<p>Your missing the point, I too am retired and hearing impaired,  the intolerance is of all the NON cyclists REFUSING TO KEEP LEFT  regardless of age and abilities. If they would just keep left it would not matter what  they did and it would be their own fault if they got a fright as you pass them. The problem is you can&#8217;t get past and if you swerve onto the grass to get past you are likely to come off in soft mud etc when wet.</p>
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		By: Malamute		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14140</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malamute]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2018 22:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It’s amusing how we call for tolerance from those on 4 wheels yet some have no tolerance for ‘deaf retired’ people. I’m both, ride an ebike and wear hearing aids. And lots of ‘young’ people don’t hear my (very loud) horn because they have headphones on. So please, patience everyone - shared means just that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s amusing how we call for tolerance from those on 4 wheels yet some have no tolerance for ‘deaf retired’ people. I’m both, ride an ebike and wear hearing aids. And lots of ‘young’ people don’t hear my (very loud) horn because they have headphones on. So please, patience everyone &#8211; shared means just that.</p>
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		By: BikingMad		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14030</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BikingMad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2018 04:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14012&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, weekends are a total shamble, South Hagley and many other places too. But also later in the day weekdays when all the mothers with prams and deaf retired people that don&#039;t hear my loud bell are walking dogs is often a shamble almost everywhere that I go. More and more people are riding e-bikes, traveling faster and the shared paths are like obstacle courses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14012">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, weekends are a total shamble, South Hagley and many other places too. But also later in the day weekdays when all the mothers with prams and deaf retired people that don&#8217;t hear my loud bell are walking dogs is often a shamble almost everywhere that I go. More and more people are riding e-bikes, traveling faster and the shared paths are like obstacle courses.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-14012</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2018 20:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-13978&quot;&gt;BikingMad&lt;/a&gt;.

There is a cultural change required, and it will happen, albeit over a period of time. The place to see how it can happen is South Hagley Park during commuter periods. Walkers know to be on the left. Cyclists know to pass when safe , and allow space.  At the weekends however, a totally different story. Cities in Europe with good rates of cycling have plenty of shared zones, we are only starting out on this journey now. Bells are good, as is politeness, and time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-13978">BikingMad</a>.</p>
<p>There is a cultural change required, and it will happen, albeit over a period of time. The place to see how it can happen is South Hagley Park during commuter periods. Walkers know to be on the left. Cyclists know to pass when safe , and allow space.  At the weekends however, a totally different story. Cities in Europe with good rates of cycling have plenty of shared zones, we are only starting out on this journey now. Bells are good, as is politeness, and time.</p>
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		By: BikingMad		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/08/31/cycleway-and-speed-consultations-underway/#comment-13978</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BikingMad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharing with pedestrians that refuse to keep left, walk three abreast and  with dogs either off leads or on long leads across the whole shared path is ridiculous. If it is meant to be a cycleway then make it so and keep pedestrians on footpaths.  It will be the cyclist who gets blamed when a pedestrian is seriously injured  in this situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharing with pedestrians that refuse to keep left, walk three abreast and  with dogs either off leads or on long leads across the whole shared path is ridiculous. If it is meant to be a cycleway then make it so and keep pedestrians on footpaths.  It will be the cyclist who gets blamed when a pedestrian is seriously injured  in this situation.</p>
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