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	Comments on: First Look: Rapanui &#8211; Shag Rock Stage 2	</title>
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		By: bikingmad		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12229</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikingmad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2018 20:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12195&quot;&gt;LennyBoy&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem with that idea is that you still are never quite sure that they will actually give way.  Many large 4x4 vehicles just mount them at speed regardless of what it might do to their wheel alignment.

A good example of that is On the corner of Simeon Street and  Brougham Street near the caged crossing.  Their  is a raised bit as well as a green painted section of the cycleway  and TWO GIVE WAY signs.  Despite all that I have had several instances there where drivers have just plowed straight through at speed with no intention of giving way.  Thats why as the cyclist I am happy to have a give way to those minor roads etc. 

I do however wonder why they need so many of those U turn bays, if they like racing along in their vehicles so much surely it would not kill them to drive an extra block?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12195">LennyBoy</a>.</p>
<p>The problem with that idea is that you still are never quite sure that they will actually give way.  Many large 4&#215;4 vehicles just mount them at speed regardless of what it might do to their wheel alignment.</p>
<p>A good example of that is On the corner of Simeon Street and  Brougham Street near the caged crossing.  Their  is a raised bit as well as a green painted section of the cycleway  and TWO GIVE WAY signs.  Despite all that I have had several instances there where drivers have just plowed straight through at speed with no intention of giving way.  Thats why as the cyclist I am happy to have a give way to those minor roads etc. </p>
<p>I do however wonder why they need so many of those U turn bays, if they like racing along in their vehicles so much surely it would not kill them to drive an extra block?</p>
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		By: bikingmad		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12202</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikingmad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2018 04:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12194&quot;&gt;LennyBoy&lt;/a&gt;.

Well given the number of people I have seen driving full tilt  between  the 25 k speed humps and slamming on the brakes then race off to the next one then there sure is a fortune to be made in fines. Or maybe they are all driving stolen cars and don&#039;t care about fines.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12194">LennyBoy</a>.</p>
<p>Well given the number of people I have seen driving full tilt  between  the 25 k speed humps and slamming on the brakes then race off to the next one then there sure is a fortune to be made in fines. Or maybe they are all driving stolen cars and don&#8217;t care about fines.</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12195</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2018 02:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12192&quot;&gt;bikingmad&lt;/a&gt;.

I preferred the alternative design that had a raised platform over every U-turn; that would definitely slow down any motorist and encourage them to give way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12192">bikingmad</a>.</p>
<p>I preferred the alternative design that had a raised platform over every U-turn; that would definitely slow down any motorist and encourage them to give way.</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12194</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2018 02:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12191&quot;&gt;bikingmad&lt;/a&gt;.

The neighbourhood greenway section through Linwood already does have a 30km/h speed limit. I have heard that there are one or two repeat parking offenders near the humps despite them getting quite a few parking tickets...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12191">bikingmad</a>.</p>
<p>The neighbourhood greenway section through Linwood already does have a 30km/h speed limit. I have heard that there are one or two repeat parking offenders near the humps despite them getting quite a few parking tickets&#8230;</p>
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		By: bikingmad		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12192</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikingmad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2018 00:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an older slower cyclist I don&#039;t mind the give ways along Lynwood Ave as I just don&#039;t trust any driver to give way to me anymore.  My experience every day is to come across vehicles parked on cycleways and cycle lanes. I have also learned that my drivers go through red arrows, stop signs and give ways.  So even if I have the right of way, I no longer trust it at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an older slower cyclist I don&#8217;t mind the give ways along Lynwood Ave as I just don&#8217;t trust any driver to give way to me anymore.  My experience every day is to come across vehicles parked on cycleways and cycle lanes. I have also learned that my drivers go through red arrows, stop signs and give ways.  So even if I have the right of way, I no longer trust it at all.</p>
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		By: bikingmad		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12191</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikingmad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2018 00:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The greenways need to have a 30k limit as well as the speed bumps and speeding cameras  in between each speed hump. The revenue gained would more than pay for another dozen or so completely off road cycleways.

 I also thought that broken yellow lines meant no parking or even stopping, but it seems not to be the case anymore, recently I had to ride over a speed bump as I could not get past on the little bit beside the hump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The greenways need to have a 30k limit as well as the speed bumps and speeding cameras  in between each speed hump. The revenue gained would more than pay for another dozen or so completely off road cycleways.</p>
<p> I also thought that broken yellow lines meant no parking or even stopping, but it seems not to be the case anymore, recently I had to ride over a speed bump as I could not get past on the little bit beside the hump.</p>
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		By: James		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12099</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its great to have this facility on offer for the interested but concerned cyclist. And I know this is who its been designed for, and not me who wants to get from point a to b at the fastest pace and most direct route that I possibly can. So for the new rider I feel the compromises you mention to give priority to cars at all intersections misses the mark when compared to the other cycleways (Count the number of give ways from the start to finish!)- this slows people down and makes what is a &#039;long&#039; commute longer (a switch off) - ultimately when one is under ones own steam we naturally seek efficiency so we want a direct route and this definitely meanders (another switch off). I want to use this facility and support this to help those interested but concerned cyclists but slower, less direct, stop start and a lack of community engagement on the whole thing leads me to fear for the success and uptake of this section of the network. I really really hope I am wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its great to have this facility on offer for the interested but concerned cyclist. And I know this is who its been designed for, and not me who wants to get from point a to b at the fastest pace and most direct route that I possibly can. So for the new rider I feel the compromises you mention to give priority to cars at all intersections misses the mark when compared to the other cycleways (Count the number of give ways from the start to finish!)- this slows people down and makes what is a &#8216;long&#8217; commute longer (a switch off) &#8211; ultimately when one is under ones own steam we naturally seek efficiency so we want a direct route and this definitely meanders (another switch off). I want to use this facility and support this to help those interested but concerned cyclists but slower, less direct, stop start and a lack of community engagement on the whole thing leads me to fear for the success and uptake of this section of the network. I really really hope I am wrong.</p>
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		By: Cyclomaniac		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12084</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclomaniac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2018 04:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just cycled it. Loved the shared path but not impressed by giving way to any odd car that crosses the path. I am not sure what the design principles are of major cycle paths but for me 9 year old  kids should be able to independently cycle major cycle paths. This design only caters for more experienced cyclists in my view. I am not sure why drivers that make a turn can not give way to cyclists on a major cycle route?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just cycled it. Loved the shared path but not impressed by giving way to any odd car that crosses the path. I am not sure what the design principles are of major cycle paths but for me 9 year old  kids should be able to independently cycle major cycle paths. This design only caters for more experienced cyclists in my view. I am not sure why drivers that make a turn can not give way to cyclists on a major cycle route?</p>
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		By: Jonathan Bell		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12062</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Bell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2018 03:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12055&quot;&gt;Criggie&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve found CCC Parking very polite, helpful, and responsive to such things. They&#039;ve towed cars maliciously parked in the cycle lane segments on Buccleugh St. Mostly overcrowded townhouses down that way so I guess they&#039;re bitter about their &quot;loss&quot; of parking privilege.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12055">Criggie</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found CCC Parking very polite, helpful, and responsive to such things. They&#8217;ve towed cars maliciously parked in the cycle lane segments on Buccleugh St. Mostly overcrowded townhouses down that way so I guess they&#8217;re bitter about their &#8220;loss&#8221; of parking privilege.</p>
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		By: Criggie		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-12055</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Criggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2018 01:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-11976&quot;&gt;Dominic&lt;/a&gt;.

A bit of parking enforcement from the CCC parking wardens would help here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2018/07/14/first-look-rapanui-shag-rock-stage-2/#comment-11976">Dominic</a>.</p>
<p>A bit of parking enforcement from the CCC parking wardens would help here.</p>
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