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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1648&quot;&gt;Tracy&lt;/a&gt;.

In those past 15 years, there have been ~150 cycle fatalities, so rear-enders are still only 20% of that. It&#039;s also important to appreciate that fewer than 10% of all cycle crashes occur in rural areas but, due to the higher speeds, about half of all cycle fatalities occur there. So rear-end crashes will seem relatively prevalent when considering fatal crashes, but are fairly rare in urban areas (like Christchurch) where most people cycle. The moral of the story: keep an eye on traffic behind you when out in the country, but in town worry about what&#039;s in front of you...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1648">Tracy</a>.</p>
<p>In those past 15 years, there have been ~150 cycle fatalities, so rear-enders are still only 20% of that. It&#8217;s also important to appreciate that fewer than 10% of all cycle crashes occur in rural areas but, due to the higher speeds, about half of all cycle fatalities occur there. So rear-end crashes will seem relatively prevalent when considering fatal crashes, but are fairly rare in urban areas (like Christchurch) where most people cycle. The moral of the story: keep an eye on traffic behind you when out in the country, but in town worry about what&#8217;s in front of you&#8230;</p>
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		By: Tracy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I also disagree with your understanding of the importance of rear-ending crashes  - here is a link:http://tinyurl.com/jeyb8pl
that shows over the last 15 years there has been 29 fatals from rear-end crashes]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also disagree with your understanding of the importance of rear-ending crashes  &#8211; here is a link:<a href="http://tinyurl.com/jeyb8pl" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/jeyb8pl</a><br />
that shows over the last 15 years there has been 29 fatals from rear-end crashes</p>
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		By: tracy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1647</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tracy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1646&quot;&gt;tracy&lt;/a&gt;.

this link will show fatalities in chch city
http://tinyurl.com/jqntfvk
you can get a more detailed report by clicking the link , then opening the search menu and selecting &#039;view report&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1646">tracy</a>.</p>
<p>this link will show fatalities in chch city<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/jqntfvk" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/jqntfvk</a><br />
you can get a more detailed report by clicking the link , then opening the search menu and selecting &#8216;view report&#8217;</p>
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		By: tracy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tracy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[why not look at the data for the last 15 years from NZTA all online here :http://nzcrash.azurewebsites.net/crashesMap.htm
use the search functionality to view the details and limit the data to just cyclists or pedestrians or whatever.  There is also a phone app that can show the crash hot spots listed on the site]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not look at the data for the last 15 years from NZTA all online here :<a href="http://nzcrash.azurewebsites.net/crashesMap.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://nzcrash.azurewebsites.net/crashesMap.htm</a><br />
use the search functionality to view the details and limit the data to just cyclists or pedestrians or whatever.  There is also a phone app that can show the crash hot spots listed on the site</p>
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		By: velocipede		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1645</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[velocipede]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 11:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1638&quot;&gt;Jim&lt;/a&gt;.

There are way too many intersections which reduce from two lanes &#034;this side&#034; to to one lane the &#034;other side&#034; and which are only marginally safe for cars on the merging side but a trial in cyclist confidence and resolve, not to mention safety. A two lane approach to an intersection may be two times the car park and effective use of limited road space in a sense and when vehicles are stationary but come the other side when vehicles are mobile and two lanes become its usually a merging problem from hell at peak traffic flows. And that&#039;s just for motorists. Cyclists be damned in the typical estimation as its still as if most cyclists are tacitly instructed to bugger off by the brute force of road design on most busy roads most of the time.  

When a lane is designated as straight through as well as turning we as cyclists are advised by the Road Code to &#034;take the lane&#034; straight through but I have to admit that in examples such as the below I have been more timid in doing so than I have wished and put up with motor vehicles passing by far closer than ideal - competitively merging in the do or die race to get to the next red light or compulsory stop 1.38 seconds faster they the other guy or gal. 

The merge from QEII Dr to Northcote Rd westward from Main North Rd is one partcularly instructive example too bad already mentioned. Main North Rd. southward past Cranford St another. Grahams Rd northward over Memorial Ave, Grahams Rd northward over Wairakei Rd, Linwood Ave eastward over Hargood St-Keighleys Rd and Ferry Rd westward over Hargood-Radley Sts are others. That&#039;s just off the top of my head. Just to begin...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1638">Jim</a>.</p>
<p>There are way too many intersections which reduce from two lanes &quot;this side&quot; to to one lane the &quot;other side&quot; and which are only marginally safe for cars on the merging side but a trial in cyclist confidence and resolve, not to mention safety. A two lane approach to an intersection may be two times the car park and effective use of limited road space in a sense and when vehicles are stationary but come the other side when vehicles are mobile and two lanes become its usually a merging problem from hell at peak traffic flows. And that&#8217;s just for motorists. Cyclists be damned in the typical estimation as its still as if most cyclists are tacitly instructed to bugger off by the brute force of road design on most busy roads most of the time.  </p>
<p>When a lane is designated as straight through as well as turning we as cyclists are advised by the Road Code to &quot;take the lane&quot; straight through but I have to admit that in examples such as the below I have been more timid in doing so than I have wished and put up with motor vehicles passing by far closer than ideal &#8211; competitively merging in the do or die race to get to the next red light or compulsory stop 1.38 seconds faster they the other guy or gal. </p>
<p>The merge from QEII Dr to Northcote Rd westward from Main North Rd is one partcularly instructive example too bad already mentioned. Main North Rd. southward past Cranford St another. Grahams Rd northward over Memorial Ave, Grahams Rd northward over Wairakei Rd, Linwood Ave eastward over Hargood St-Keighleys Rd and Ferry Rd westward over Hargood-Radley Sts are others. That&#8217;s just off the top of my head. Just to begin&#8230;</p>
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		By: Velocipede		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1644</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Velocipede]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 10:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ditto to all the problematic road design anti-features mentioned above. Cycle lanes disappearing all of a sudden and street side car parking intruding into cycle lanes probably top the list of exceedingly ill-considered carriageway design. 

Traveling &#034;inside&#034; a traffic queue even in a cycle lane with traffic potentially turning left and immediately across one&#039;s path or going for &#034;the gap&#034; in the queue considerately given if coming from the opposite direction are probably the most commonly encountered real and immediate dangers. I&#039;ve found its worth standing up on the pedals for the latter in order to make oneself as visible as possible. As for the former? I cannot but say that failure on the part of a motorist to indicate their intention to turn left is routine - to be automatically expected. The ability of the cyclist (me; you?) to brake dramatically or deftly swerve rightward in such circumstances is a critical life saving skill. 

Even when there are barrier poles its not entirely unusual to encounter a car making a sneaky lefty completely blocking the cycle lane if they are able to fit. Design flaw to make these cycle friendly features too wide even if as obviously demarcated &#034;cyclists only&#034; as they can be, methinks. This is not an entirely unusual occurrence at the intersection of Kahu and Straven Rds, for example.

I wonder how many accidents aren&#039;t reported? After 30 some years of cycling with immense confidence I had my first ever &#034;accident&#034; with a motor vehicle recently. I swerved to miss the truck not looking at all which turned right across my path which I did avoid but couldn&#039;t avoid the car looking even less right behind it. They assumed that if it was safe for the vehicle in front it was safe for them... Never assume... Although I nearly flipped completely I only received a graze. I didn&#039;t report the incident, figuring that my going completely off at the motorist (if largely for dramatic effect) did the trick for the most part. At least she was appropriately apologetic.

I am very sceptical about those central city separated cycle paths.They were never designed for me,  nor did I want them, and now I&#039;ve seen them at current flows I&#039;m not sure they were designed for anyone. Methinks they are too dangerous to use. I&#039;ve so nearly been taken out by ignorant motorists and pedestrians having no idea what they are every time I&#039;ve used them; and after giving them up to take the lane easily achieved on the roadway at 30kmph - if very lucky to be going 30 at all - seen others all too nearly taken out on the cycleway ostensibly quicker as well. Taking the lane whenever possible and practicable and making it impossible to be invisible (as if) will always be safer than assuming a motorist is going to see &#034;you&#034; when &#034;you&#034; are misguidedly keeping safe by riding out of the way, even in an designated cycle facility with even the most minimal connection with regular roads.    ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto to all the problematic road design anti-features mentioned above. Cycle lanes disappearing all of a sudden and street side car parking intruding into cycle lanes probably top the list of exceedingly ill-considered carriageway design. </p>
<p>Traveling &quot;inside&quot; a traffic queue even in a cycle lane with traffic potentially turning left and immediately across one&#8217;s path or going for &quot;the gap&quot; in the queue considerately given if coming from the opposite direction are probably the most commonly encountered real and immediate dangers. I&#8217;ve found its worth standing up on the pedals for the latter in order to make oneself as visible as possible. As for the former? I cannot but say that failure on the part of a motorist to indicate their intention to turn left is routine &#8211; to be automatically expected. The ability of the cyclist (me; you?) to brake dramatically or deftly swerve rightward in such circumstances is a critical life saving skill. </p>
<p>Even when there are barrier poles its not entirely unusual to encounter a car making a sneaky lefty completely blocking the cycle lane if they are able to fit. Design flaw to make these cycle friendly features too wide even if as obviously demarcated &quot;cyclists only&quot; as they can be, methinks. This is not an entirely unusual occurrence at the intersection of Kahu and Straven Rds, for example.</p>
<p>I wonder how many accidents aren&#8217;t reported? After 30 some years of cycling with immense confidence I had my first ever &quot;accident&quot; with a motor vehicle recently. I swerved to miss the truck not looking at all which turned right across my path which I did avoid but couldn&#8217;t avoid the car looking even less right behind it. They assumed that if it was safe for the vehicle in front it was safe for them&#8230; Never assume&#8230; Although I nearly flipped completely I only received a graze. I didn&#8217;t report the incident, figuring that my going completely off at the motorist (if largely for dramatic effect) did the trick for the most part. At least she was appropriately apologetic.</p>
<p>I am very sceptical about those central city separated cycle paths.They were never designed for me,  nor did I want them, and now I&#8217;ve seen them at current flows I&#8217;m not sure they were designed for anyone. Methinks they are too dangerous to use. I&#8217;ve so nearly been taken out by ignorant motorists and pedestrians having no idea what they are every time I&#8217;ve used them; and after giving them up to take the lane easily achieved on the roadway at 30kmph &#8211; if very lucky to be going 30 at all &#8211; seen others all too nearly taken out on the cycleway ostensibly quicker as well. Taking the lane whenever possible and practicable and making it impossible to be invisible (as if) will always be safer than assuming a motorist is going to see &quot;you&quot; when &quot;you&quot; are misguidedly keeping safe by riding out of the way, even in an designated cycle facility with even the most minimal connection with regular roads.    </p>
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		By: Chris Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 21:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Really interesting article there, if you&#039;re interested and can send the data I would like to produce a heat map of the accident spots to provide another visualisation of the worst or better areas of the city.  Email is supplied, cheers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting article there, if you&#8217;re interested and can send the data I would like to produce a heat map of the accident spots to provide another visualisation of the worst or better areas of the city.  Email is supplied, cheers.</p>
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		By: RObert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RObert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 03:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1641&quot;&gt;LennyBoy&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, thanks Lenny , I guessed that. (-:  . A long story best not retold. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1641">LennyBoy</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, thanks Lenny , I guessed that. (-:  . A long story best not retold. </p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 01:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1640&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Crashes are often coded on the basis of what the attending officer noted at the time of the incident, rather than any follow-up activity. So, for example, if someone is carted away in an ambulance they would usually code it as &quot;serious&quot;, regardless of what their actual injuries were. Likewise, a crash might have been coded as minor if the officer didn&#039;t discern any serious injuries at the time (e.g. adrenalin can mask the pain until later) or it was reported later to the Police station. So it&#039;s an inexact science; what&#039;s probably of more value is that the incident has at least been recorded in &quot;the system&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/04/26/what-are-your-current-chch-cycle-safety-concerns/#comment-1640">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Crashes are often coded on the basis of what the attending officer noted at the time of the incident, rather than any follow-up activity. So, for example, if someone is carted away in an ambulance they would usually code it as &#8220;serious&#8221;, regardless of what their actual injuries were. Likewise, a crash might have been coded as minor if the officer didn&#8217;t discern any serious injuries at the time (e.g. adrenalin can mask the pain until later) or it was reported later to the Police station. So it&#8217;s an inexact science; what&#8217;s probably of more value is that the incident has at least been recorded in &#8220;the system&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2016 22:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I notice that the dot on the intersection where I came to grief is marked yellow for minor.  So if 3 separate trips to the emergency department resulting in a total of 5 nights admitted,  a year off work , and even after that year still requiring a visit to the specialist qualifies as a minor accident then there is a problem . Sorry, it was not that minor to me. 
It would be great to have some paint on Colombo heading north at the intersection with Bealey. Left turning vehicles getting into lane just do not see the many cycles that are heading straight through the intersection whatever position they try to take.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice that the dot on the intersection where I came to grief is marked yellow for minor.  So if 3 separate trips to the emergency department resulting in a total of 5 nights admitted,  a year off work , and even after that year still requiring a visit to the specialist qualifies as a minor accident then there is a problem . Sorry, it was not that minor to me.<br />
It would be great to have some paint on Colombo heading north at the intersection with Bealey. Left turning vehicles getting into lane just do not see the many cycles that are heading straight through the intersection whatever position they try to take.</p>
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