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		By: Flashback Friday &#8211; Cycling and the Law: Where can you Ride your Bike? &#8211; Cycling in Christchurch		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-149651</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flashback Friday &#8211; Cycling and the Law: Where can you Ride your Bike? &#8211; Cycling in Christchurch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 23:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] As we roll out more cycleways and other facilities around the city, it&#8217;s probably timely to remind everyone where you can and can&#8217;t bike and the Road Rules around them. Mind you, that could all change before we know it; there are a few proposed transport legislation changes still going nowhere fast on the Transport Minister&#8217;s desk that could affect some of these things. But for now, here&#8217;s the current state of play (as first posted in Dec 2015)&#8230; [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] As we roll out more cycleways and other facilities around the city, it&#8217;s probably timely to remind everyone where you can and can&#8217;t bike and the Road Rules around them. Mind you, that could all change before we know it; there are a few proposed transport legislation changes still going nowhere fast on the Transport Minister&#8217;s desk that could affect some of these things. But for now, here&#8217;s the current state of play (as first posted in Dec 2015)&#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-94588</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 01:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-94348&quot;&gt;Trevor Maniapoto&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Trevor, go to the first link at the top of this article, which explains that a cycle is a vehicle (but not a motor vehicle). The short answer is yes, cycles have the right to be on roads.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-94348">Trevor Maniapoto</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Trevor, go to the first link at the top of this article, which explains that a cycle is a vehicle (but not a motor vehicle). The short answer is yes, cycles have the right to be on roads.</p>
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		By: Trevor Maniapoto		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-94348</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trevor Maniapoto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2020 02:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is a cycle classed as a vehicle,if not what rights do they have to be on a road.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is a cycle classed as a vehicle,if not what rights do they have to be on a road.</p>
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		By: micksa50		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-1465</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[micksa50]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 20:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-1464&quot;&gt;LennyBoy&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep. Keyword: Judgement. The more Rules we have, the less we are left to our own judgement and the poorer our judgement becomes. Studies have shown a clear correlation between reductions in road rules and an increase in both social responsibility and road safety. If you look at &#039;traffic&#039; behaviour in a typical Spanish town square, for example, where the &#039;road&#039; is open to pedestrians, cyclists and motor vehicles, everyone naturally assumes the role of road user, exercises a lot more judgement moving about and is generally a lot safer than they are in a typical &#039;controlled&#039; town centre environment. As the renowned Dutch traffic engineer Hans Monderman remarked, &quot;The greater the number of prescriptions, the more people&#039;s sense of personal responsibility dwindles&quot;. His work around the concept of Shared Space is fascinating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-1464">LennyBoy</a>.</p>
<p>Yep. Keyword: Judgement. The more Rules we have, the less we are left to our own judgement and the poorer our judgement becomes. Studies have shown a clear correlation between reductions in road rules and an increase in both social responsibility and road safety. If you look at &#8216;traffic&#8217; behaviour in a typical Spanish town square, for example, where the &#8216;road&#8217; is open to pedestrians, cyclists and motor vehicles, everyone naturally assumes the role of road user, exercises a lot more judgement moving about and is generally a lot safer than they are in a typical &#8216;controlled&#8217; town centre environment. As the renowned Dutch traffic engineer Hans Monderman remarked, &#8220;The greater the number of prescriptions, the more people&#8217;s sense of personal responsibility dwindles&#8221;. His work around the concept of Shared Space is fascinating.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space</a></p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-1464</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-1462&quot;&gt;Stephen J&lt;/a&gt;.

The Setting Speed Limits Rule is virtually silent on speed limits other than on roads (although as you have seen here, the definition of &quot;road&quot; is quite broad). It would seem that if a shared path was parallel to a roadway (i.e. part of the same &quot;road&quot;) then the prevailing speed limit there would apply.

As mentioned above, any users of a shared path must act always in a &quot;careful and considerate manner&quot; as well; the Rule includes a specific obligation for users of wheeled devices to &quot;not operate the cycle or device at a speed that constitutes a hazard to other persons using the path.&quot; Needless to say, this still is a judgement call and will depend a bit on the situation, e.g. 20km/h when you squeeze past another path user might be way too much, whereas 30km/h when you are more than a metre clear might be perfectly fine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-1462">Stephen J</a>.</p>
<p>The Setting Speed Limits Rule is virtually silent on speed limits other than on roads (although as you have seen here, the definition of &#8220;road&#8221; is quite broad). It would seem that if a shared path was parallel to a roadway (i.e. part of the same &#8220;road&#8221;) then the prevailing speed limit there would apply.</p>
<p>As mentioned above, any users of a shared path must act always in a &#8220;careful and considerate manner&#8221; as well; the Rule includes a specific obligation for users of wheeled devices to &#8220;not operate the cycle or device at a speed that constitutes a hazard to other persons using the path.&#8221; Needless to say, this still is a judgement call and will depend a bit on the situation, e.g. 20km/h when you squeeze past another path user might be way too much, whereas 30km/h when you are more than a metre clear might be perfectly fine.</p>
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		By: Criggie		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-1463</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Criggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 08:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-1462&quot;&gt;Stephen J&lt;/a&gt;.

There are no posted speed limits, and how would you know if you&#039;re going over any specified number?  Speedos are not mandatory fitments.

However there&#039;ll be some classic woolly phrase like &quot;unsafe speed&quot; of &quot;dangerous speed&quot;  where its totally up to the discretion of the officer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-1462">Stephen J</a>.</p>
<p>There are no posted speed limits, and how would you know if you&#8217;re going over any specified number?  Speedos are not mandatory fitments.</p>
<p>However there&#8217;ll be some classic woolly phrase like &#8220;unsafe speed&#8221; of &#8220;dangerous speed&#8221;  where its totally up to the discretion of the officer.</p>
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		By: Stephen J		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/19/cycling-and-the-law-where-can-you-ride-your-bike/#comment-1462</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 08:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some years ago, when living in Auckland, a police officer visited my daughter&#039;s then-primary school and explicitly told the kids to ride on the footpath, it&#039;s safer (suburb was Greenlane, so there was some truth in that). So they don&#039;t just turn a blind eye: some actively recommend it.

Question: what about speeds on shared paths? I assume that the posted speed limit applies on roadways, but many shared paths don&#039;t have posted speed limits, yet anything much about 20 seems inappropriate when pedestrians are around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago, when living in Auckland, a police officer visited my daughter&#8217;s then-primary school and explicitly told the kids to ride on the footpath, it&#8217;s safer (suburb was Greenlane, so there was some truth in that). So they don&#8217;t just turn a blind eye: some actively recommend it.</p>
<p>Question: what about speeds on shared paths? I assume that the posted speed limit applies on roadways, but many shared paths don&#8217;t have posted speed limits, yet anything much about 20 seems inappropriate when pedestrians are around.</p>
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