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	Comments on: Outside the new bus interchange &#8211; what&#8217;s it like for cycling?	</title>
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		By: M		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/05/outside-the-new-bus-interchange-whats-it-like-for-cycling/#comment-163334</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 12:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/05/outside-the-new-bus-interchange-whats-it-like-for-cycling/#comment-1451&quot;&gt;Velocipede&lt;/a&gt;.

Same, I always use the road. I have been honked and shouted at though by drivers that hate not being allowed to speed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/05/outside-the-new-bus-interchange-whats-it-like-for-cycling/#comment-1451">Velocipede</a>.</p>
<p>Same, I always use the road. I have been honked and shouted at though by drivers that hate not being allowed to speed.</p>
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		By: Velocipede		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Velocipede]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have very mixed feelings about the new cycle lanes around and about the Bus Exchange. Firstly, they are too narrow. I heard the rationale was that in order to fit everything in that everyone wanted along these streets the cycle lane had to be narrowed to effect the necessary accommodation. Great intent, but sometimes features have to be prioritised in the interests of safety.

Secondly, its hard to get from the separated cycle lane onto the roadway if one wishes to do so, for example to make a right hand turn off of Tuam St.

Thirdly, one has to be exceedingly wary of pedestrians who have no idea they are stepping right in front of a cyclist, i.e. me, in the cycle lane without looking. And this is while the central city is still quiet and most of the street-side parking is not fully used most of the time. I cannot but imagine the problem will only worsen when more cars park along Tuam St., especially if and when disgorging passengers unaccustomed to cycle lanes to the left of the roadway.

On the positive, I like that the intersection signals formalise the road code by &quot;red arrowing&quot; turning vehicles for a bit after greening other traffic in order to prevent them turning in front of cyclists going straight ahead. Its something all drivers MUST be doing all the time anyways when thinking of crossing a cycle lane (yeah right), so its difficult to fathom why the cycle lane green phase is much shorter than it is for vehicles - except that it practically recognises that driver compliance with this rule is abysmal.

Negative on balance, the lights seem to be timed for travelling at 30kmph. In and of itself this is fine - for me - but for others this may mean having to stop at every set of lights. Boring. Noting above that pedestrians have trouble with comprehending that a cyclist might actually be using that funny no so wide on and off green paved bit between the roadway and footpath, however, cycling at 30kmph or faster is not a good idea unless one has an absolutely clear field of vision unobscured by parked cars. The separated cycle lanes currently extant in the central city and at University of Canterbury are OK for travelling say 10-15kmph, and maybe even 20, but not for anything above this.

All things considered above, I am reluctant to use the cycle lane and more inclined to use the roadway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have very mixed feelings about the new cycle lanes around and about the Bus Exchange. Firstly, they are too narrow. I heard the rationale was that in order to fit everything in that everyone wanted along these streets the cycle lane had to be narrowed to effect the necessary accommodation. Great intent, but sometimes features have to be prioritised in the interests of safety.</p>
<p>Secondly, its hard to get from the separated cycle lane onto the roadway if one wishes to do so, for example to make a right hand turn off of Tuam St.</p>
<p>Thirdly, one has to be exceedingly wary of pedestrians who have no idea they are stepping right in front of a cyclist, i.e. me, in the cycle lane without looking. And this is while the central city is still quiet and most of the street-side parking is not fully used most of the time. I cannot but imagine the problem will only worsen when more cars park along Tuam St., especially if and when disgorging passengers unaccustomed to cycle lanes to the left of the roadway.</p>
<p>On the positive, I like that the intersection signals formalise the road code by &#8220;red arrowing&#8221; turning vehicles for a bit after greening other traffic in order to prevent them turning in front of cyclists going straight ahead. Its something all drivers MUST be doing all the time anyways when thinking of crossing a cycle lane (yeah right), so its difficult to fathom why the cycle lane green phase is much shorter than it is for vehicles &#8211; except that it practically recognises that driver compliance with this rule is abysmal.</p>
<p>Negative on balance, the lights seem to be timed for travelling at 30kmph. In and of itself this is fine &#8211; for me &#8211; but for others this may mean having to stop at every set of lights. Boring. Noting above that pedestrians have trouble with comprehending that a cyclist might actually be using that funny no so wide on and off green paved bit between the roadway and footpath, however, cycling at 30kmph or faster is not a good idea unless one has an absolutely clear field of vision unobscured by parked cars. The separated cycle lanes currently extant in the central city and at University of Canterbury are OK for travelling say 10-15kmph, and maybe even 20, but not for anything above this.</p>
<p>All things considered above, I am reluctant to use the cycle lane and more inclined to use the roadway.</p>
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		By: Velocipede		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/05/outside-the-new-bus-interchange-whats-it-like-for-cycling/#comment-1450</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Velocipede]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/05/outside-the-new-bus-interchange-whats-it-like-for-cycling/#comment-1445&quot;&gt;Criggie&lt;/a&gt;.

Criggie,

This is a common occurrence in my experience. More than half the time its a driver pulling over to talk on their phone, as if not obeying the thing immediately would mean certain death, or seven years of bad luck or some such. Right thought to pull over, wrong solution. I cannot but come to the conclusion that many drivers think a cycle lane is an &quot;answer your phone safety pull-over lane&quot; even if it is VERY clearly marked as a no-stopping zone. They must think their taxes/rates/road user charges are being used to very good effect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/05/outside-the-new-bus-interchange-whats-it-like-for-cycling/#comment-1445">Criggie</a>.</p>
<p>Criggie,</p>
<p>This is a common occurrence in my experience. More than half the time its a driver pulling over to talk on their phone, as if not obeying the thing immediately would mean certain death, or seven years of bad luck or some such. Right thought to pull over, wrong solution. I cannot but come to the conclusion that many drivers think a cycle lane is an &#8220;answer your phone safety pull-over lane&#8221; even if it is VERY clearly marked as a no-stopping zone. They must think their taxes/rates/road user charges are being used to very good effect.</p>
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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/05/outside-the-new-bus-interchange-whats-it-like-for-cycling/#comment-1449</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/05/outside-the-new-bus-interchange-whats-it-like-for-cycling/#comment-1448&quot;&gt;AngryOfAshley&lt;/a&gt;.

Bear in mind that CERA oversaw this work, not CCC. My understanding is that perpendicular grates are not as hydraulically efficient (i.e. in serious rain, it won&#039;t drain the water as quickly). The wavy design minimises that problem and in theory also gets around any concerns about getting caught in them. In reality I suspect that you wouldn&#039;t get stuck, but that doesn&#039;t change the perception... My personal peeve about these new drains is that they keep locating them right at the traffic lights - precisely where I want to stop by the kerb to rest my foot there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/05/outside-the-new-bus-interchange-whats-it-like-for-cycling/#comment-1448">AngryOfAshley</a>.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that CERA oversaw this work, not CCC. My understanding is that perpendicular grates are not as hydraulically efficient (i.e. in serious rain, it won&#8217;t drain the water as quickly). The wavy design minimises that problem and in theory also gets around any concerns about getting caught in them. In reality I suspect that you wouldn&#8217;t get stuck, but that doesn&#8217;t change the perception&#8230; My personal peeve about these new drains is that they keep locating them right at the traffic lights &#8211; precisely where I want to stop by the kerb to rest my foot there.</p>
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		By: AngryOfAshley		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2015/12/05/outside-the-new-bus-interchange-whats-it-like-for-cycling/#comment-1448</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice job LennyBoy.  Your last picture highlights a concern for me.  As a Brompton rider (smaller wheels, thin tyres) those gutter-grates freak me out!  Why has the CCC gone away from gutter-grates that are 90 degrees from the curb line?  I have a vision of cropping a wheel in there and going a-over-apex.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job LennyBoy.  Your last picture highlights a concern for me.  As a Brompton rider (smaller wheels, thin tyres) those gutter-grates freak me out!  Why has the CCC gone away from gutter-grates that are 90 degrees from the curb line?  I have a vision of cropping a wheel in there and going a-over-apex.</p>
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		By: Colin Pearson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colin Pearson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2015 23:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Because turning right from Tuam onto Colombo isn&#039;t user friendly I don&#039;t use the brand new cycle lanes.  When cycling east on Tuam I now move to right hand side of Tuam road mid way between Antigua &#038; Montreal so that I can turn right down Durham St South then later ride through Bath St to get to Colombo. I&#039;m sure it confuses some drivers why I&#039;d choose to be on right when there&#039;s a cycle lane on left. I&#039;m sure the designers are trying &#038; some simple tweaks will make it better for all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because turning right from Tuam onto Colombo isn&#8217;t user friendly I don&#8217;t use the brand new cycle lanes.  When cycling east on Tuam I now move to right hand side of Tuam road mid way between Antigua &amp; Montreal so that I can turn right down Durham St South then later ride through Bath St to get to Colombo. I&#8217;m sure it confuses some drivers why I&#8217;d choose to be on right when there&#8217;s a cycle lane on left. I&#8217;m sure the designers are trying &amp; some simple tweaks will make it better for all.</p>
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		By: GimliNZ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2015 08:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Being quite new to cycling through the city, I too have had to grapple with the Tuam/Colombo lights and the Tuam/Bus Exchange crossing! In the past 4 weeks I have only once seen a green at the Bus Exchange entrance, and noticed the amber road lights were off, all other times they are on! I&#039;ve decided that the white &#039;B&#039; stands for Bikes, so figure I&#039;m good to go then, after checking behind me of course for turning cars/buses!

On the plus side, the new set of lights on Waimairi Rd, that go from Ilam Fields to the old Teacher&#039;s College are wonderful as the sensors always seem to pick me up, even when I am the sole cyclist and the road lights are turning amber before I even get to the crossing!! Very responsive!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being quite new to cycling through the city, I too have had to grapple with the Tuam/Colombo lights and the Tuam/Bus Exchange crossing! In the past 4 weeks I have only once seen a green at the Bus Exchange entrance, and noticed the amber road lights were off, all other times they are on! I&#8217;ve decided that the white &#8216;B&#8217; stands for Bikes, so figure I&#8217;m good to go then, after checking behind me of course for turning cars/buses!</p>
<p>On the plus side, the new set of lights on Waimairi Rd, that go from Ilam Fields to the old Teacher&#8217;s College are wonderful as the sensors always seem to pick me up, even when I am the sole cyclist and the road lights are turning amber before I even get to the crossing!! Very responsive!</p>
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		By: Criggie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Criggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2015 04:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://youtu.be/UC-atp7bmao    Yeah the drivers don&#039;t seem to mind the protective kerbing, they&#039;re quite happy to have a go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://youtu.be/UC-atp7bmao" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/UC-atp7bmao</a>    Yeah the drivers don&#8217;t seem to mind the protective kerbing, they&#8217;re quite happy to have a go.</p>
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