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		By: Tim Wethey		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-947</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Wethey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2015 09:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-946&quot;&gt;****ing Andrew&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I couldn’t care less about access to that section when I’m old and doddery, there’s very limited lay-by space and plenty of better alternatives on the Summit Rd.&quot;        That you don’t want to visit that section when you’re older and less capable means it doesn’t have much greater significance for you than just your current use of it for physical activities? I have been recreating and taking others up there for 45 years: climbing, walking, biking (I rode the length of it this morning Dyers to Evans), motorbiking, car. I love that whole stretch in all its moods and times and the access it gives to various local spots. I want to travel to it or through it by whatever means I have available or want at the time, just as I always have done.

&quot;How is insisting on motor vehicle access for your exploits not selfish?&quot;      This was always a legal road, for vehicles of all types. That a minority of come-latelies is trying to stop me accessing a part of it by vehicle just so they can make their own walk/cycle experience purer really pisses me off.

&quot;There is presently access for all…..&quot;      At the moment access is not for all, it is only for those physically fit. Cyclists and walkers are a minority of the greater population, the majority need or simply will choose vehicles.

&quot;….Harry Ell’s vision has nothing to do with motorists who can’t distinguish themselves from their vehicles.&quot;  An experience gained by sweat is not necessarily superior to others; what about a tourist? And to put a moral superiority on it  — ‘If you can’t walk or bike that 4 km, you don’t deserve to be there’ — is just arrogant; what about an elderly or handicapped person?

Also, re ‘conflicts: Road cyclists are the only main group with significant real conflict with cars. Mountain bikers are served in a partial way (as you have pointed out). Walkers don’t need it because of existing tracks paralleling the road. I acknowledge it is always more pleasant when there are few other people around, but any user wants solitude or lack of competition this can be achieved by picking your times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-946">****ing Andrew</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I couldn’t care less about access to that section when I’m old and doddery, there’s very limited lay-by space and plenty of better alternatives on the Summit Rd.&#8221;        That you don’t want to visit that section when you’re older and less capable means it doesn’t have much greater significance for you than just your current use of it for physical activities? I have been recreating and taking others up there for 45 years: climbing, walking, biking (I rode the length of it this morning Dyers to Evans), motorbiking, car. I love that whole stretch in all its moods and times and the access it gives to various local spots. I want to travel to it or through it by whatever means I have available or want at the time, just as I always have done.</p>
<p>&#8220;How is insisting on motor vehicle access for your exploits not selfish?&#8221;      This was always a legal road, for vehicles of all types. That a minority of come-latelies is trying to stop me accessing a part of it by vehicle just so they can make their own walk/cycle experience purer really pisses me off.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is presently access for all…..&#8221;      At the moment access is not for all, it is only for those physically fit. Cyclists and walkers are a minority of the greater population, the majority need or simply will choose vehicles.</p>
<p>&#8220;….Harry Ell’s vision has nothing to do with motorists who can’t distinguish themselves from their vehicles.&#8221;  An experience gained by sweat is not necessarily superior to others; what about a tourist? And to put a moral superiority on it  — ‘If you can’t walk or bike that 4 km, you don’t deserve to be there’ — is just arrogant; what about an elderly or handicapped person?</p>
<p>Also, re ‘conflicts: Road cyclists are the only main group with significant real conflict with cars. Mountain bikers are served in a partial way (as you have pointed out). Walkers don’t need it because of existing tracks paralleling the road. I acknowledge it is always more pleasant when there are few other people around, but any user wants solitude or lack of competition this can be achieved by picking your times.</p>
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		By: ****ing Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-946</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2015 08:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-943&quot;&gt;****ing Andrew&lt;/a&gt;.

I couldn&#039;t care less about access to that section when I’m old and doddery, there&#039;s very limited lay-by space and plenty of better alternatives on the Summit Rd. How is insisting on motor vehicle access for your exploits not selfish?
There is presently access for all, Harry Ell&#039;s vision has nothing to do with motorists who can&#039;t distinguish themselves from their vehicles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-943">****ing Andrew</a>.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t care less about access to that section when I’m old and doddery, there&#8217;s very limited lay-by space and plenty of better alternatives on the Summit Rd. How is insisting on motor vehicle access for your exploits not selfish?<br />
There is presently access for all, Harry Ell&#8217;s vision has nothing to do with motorists who can&#8217;t distinguish themselves from their vehicles.</p>
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		By: Tim Wethey		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-945</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Wethey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2015 20:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-943&quot;&gt;****ing Andrew&lt;/a&gt;.

I know how great it is to have a stretch of country to yourself.  And not have cars around. I bike too. But that road is a Christchurch institution. It&#039;s selfish to cut off every other user from it who doesn&#039;t or can&#039;t bike or walk. Harry Ell&#039;s vision was access for all, not just the physically fit.  When I&#039;m old and doddery, I still want to be able to do that trip, don&#039;t you?  Also, the road gives access for other activities. I&#039;ve used that road countless times to access rockclimbing crags on that section with heavy equipment I can&#039;t carry far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-943">****ing Andrew</a>.</p>
<p>I know how great it is to have a stretch of country to yourself.  And not have cars around. I bike too. But that road is a Christchurch institution. It&#8217;s selfish to cut off every other user from it who doesn&#8217;t or can&#8217;t bike or walk. Harry Ell&#8217;s vision was access for all, not just the physically fit.  When I&#8217;m old and doddery, I still want to be able to do that trip, don&#8217;t you?  Also, the road gives access for other activities. I&#8217;ve used that road countless times to access rockclimbing crags on that section with heavy equipment I can&#8217;t carry far.</p>
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		By: ****ing Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-944</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2015 23:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-939&quot;&gt;stevenmuir&lt;/a&gt;.

There&#039;s a walking track over Mt Cavendish already, we used this before the section of road below was reopened to walkers and cyclists just before xmas. It&#039;s a slog up the western side walking with a bike and not rideable for anyone but super humans for the most part either way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-939">stevenmuir</a>.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a walking track over Mt Cavendish already, we used this before the section of road below was reopened to walkers and cyclists just before xmas. It&#8217;s a slog up the western side walking with a bike and not rideable for anyone but super humans for the most part either way.</p>
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		By: ****ing Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-943</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2015 23:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-942&quot;&gt;Tim Wethey&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;There are already tracks for mountain bikers and walkers along that stretch&quot; 
There are two mountain bike tracks (Witch Hill and Castle Rock) that make up less than half that stretch.
Do yourself a favour and park up and walk or cycle it and see how pleasant it is without time pressured motorists using it as a race track.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-942">Tim Wethey</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are already tracks for mountain bikers and walkers along that stretch&#8221;<br />
There are two mountain bike tracks (Witch Hill and Castle Rock) that make up less than half that stretch.<br />
Do yourself a favour and park up and walk or cycle it and see how pleasant it is without time pressured motorists using it as a race track.</p>
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		By: Tim Wethey		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-942</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 22:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think this is a good idea at all!  There are already tracks for mountain bikers and walkers along that stretch.  We are not all cyclists and walkers, either by choice or necessity or time pressure. The Summit Road traverse is a one-of a kind excursion in a vehicle to give yourself an uplifting experience, or to give a visitor an overview of the awesome topography of our city, hills, and harbour.  I used to drive or ride this traverse many many times a year, and I would like it back!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this is a good idea at all!  There are already tracks for mountain bikers and walkers along that stretch.  We are not all cyclists and walkers, either by choice or necessity or time pressure. The Summit Road traverse is a one-of a kind excursion in a vehicle to give yourself an uplifting experience, or to give a visitor an overview of the awesome topography of our city, hills, and harbour.  I used to drive or ride this traverse many many times a year, and I would like it back!</p>
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		By: Johno Tunnell		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-941</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2014 05:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good idea. My partner and I were in the Port Hills this weekend and were thinking the same thing. It&#039;s such a more relaxing environment to enjoy by foot or bike with no motor vehicles to contend with. As the road is already closed it would be a good opportunity to keep it that way. I would be interested in helping to pursue the idea if anyone else is keen?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea. My partner and I were in the Port Hills this weekend and were thinking the same thing. It&#8217;s such a more relaxing environment to enjoy by foot or bike with no motor vehicles to contend with. As the road is already closed it would be a good opportunity to keep it that way. I would be interested in helping to pursue the idea if anyone else is keen?</p>
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		By: Joy Talbot		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-940</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2014 01:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few friends and I walked the bit from Rapaki to Castle Rock a month ago. No easy access (nothing to say we couldn&#039;t but we did have to climb around a couple of road blocks where others had been before) and we did meet other cylists and runners using the route. In passing we noted a new (and crudely formed) walking track being created right next to the road (city side), I assume to replace the one that used to along the side of the harbour side of the ridge. It would be really great to push your suggestion to the council now while they are still creating all these new tracks to when the road opens to traffic.

To make your idea viable would mean at the minimum the creation of a decent large car park at the seaward end (without compromising reserves) as well as extending those available around the Sign of the Kiwi and Sugarloaf.  Perhaps monthly/regular no car days/weekends would be an option worth visiting?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few friends and I walked the bit from Rapaki to Castle Rock a month ago. No easy access (nothing to say we couldn&#8217;t but we did have to climb around a couple of road blocks where others had been before) and we did meet other cylists and runners using the route. In passing we noted a new (and crudely formed) walking track being created right next to the road (city side), I assume to replace the one that used to along the side of the harbour side of the ridge. It would be really great to push your suggestion to the council now while they are still creating all these new tracks to when the road opens to traffic.</p>
<p>To make your idea viable would mean at the minimum the creation of a decent large car park at the seaward end (without compromising reserves) as well as extending those available around the Sign of the Kiwi and Sugarloaf.  Perhaps monthly/regular no car days/weekends would be an option worth visiting?</p>
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		By: stevenmuir		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-939</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was thinking a walk over Mt Cavendish would allow safe bypass of that cliff section and get me all the way to Sumner. Not sure if its possible yet but it wouldn&#039;t be hard. Good on CCC for opening up this great resource for walkers &#038; bikers -great to have it and would love it to remain as car free as possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking a walk over Mt Cavendish would allow safe bypass of that cliff section and get me all the way to Sumner. Not sure if its possible yet but it wouldn&#8217;t be hard. Good on CCC for opening up this great resource for walkers &amp; bikers -great to have it and would love it to remain as car free as possible.</p>
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		By: rob5chch6		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/07/09/summit-road-opportunity/#comment-938</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 00:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A great idea , what an experience for eco/adventure tourists especially with the mountain bike park in the area. If there is not the public support for such a change then perhaps a compromise may be more acceptable. Would a restricted access ( via permit ) one way route for vehicles travelling at reduced speed work ? . Thinking of access for operational vehicles, tourists , disabled etc  . Day time use only .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great idea , what an experience for eco/adventure tourists especially with the mountain bike park in the area. If there is not the public support for such a change then perhaps a compromise may be more acceptable. Would a restricted access ( via permit ) one way route for vehicles travelling at reduced speed work ? . Thinking of access for operational vehicles, tourists , disabled etc  . Day time use only .</p>
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