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		By: Alastair Brown		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-905</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alastair Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 23:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-895&quot;&gt;Shane&lt;/a&gt;.

I resat my driver&#039;s license a few years ago to get a P endorsement, and having passed, the only thing the practical tester mentioned is that I kept to the right too much.  I deliberately did this to keep my hurtling pile of death metal (car) away from people riding bikes.  I remain unrepentant.  Giving people riding bikes a &quot;wide berth&quot; seems to me like good general advise for starters, what other advise would you give?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-895">Shane</a>.</p>
<p>I resat my driver&#8217;s license a few years ago to get a P endorsement, and having passed, the only thing the practical tester mentioned is that I kept to the right too much.  I deliberately did this to keep my hurtling pile of death metal (car) away from people riding bikes.  I remain unrepentant.  Giving people riding bikes a &#8220;wide berth&#8221; seems to me like good general advise for starters, what other advise would you give?</p>
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		By: dangerdavelane		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-904</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dangerdavelane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-897&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

Total lack of enforcement of our road code by our police (besides the occasional speeding ticket) is a major problem. We need to change that &#8211; road users (cyclists and motorists alike) flout the rules all the time, many don&#8217;t even &lt;em&gt;know they&#8217;re doing it&lt;/em&gt; because it&#8217;s so commonplace. The police need to have that as part of  their mandate. I&#8217;m fairly sure road users will brush up on &#8211; and follow &#8211; the road code pretty swiftly if it&#8217;s likely to cost them if they don&#8217;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-897">John</a>.</p>
<p>Total lack of enforcement of our road code by our police (besides the occasional speeding ticket) is a major problem. We need to change that &#8211; road users (cyclists and motorists alike) flout the rules all the time, many don&#8217;t even <em>know they&#8217;re doing it</em> because it&#8217;s so commonplace. The police need to have that as part of  their mandate. I&#8217;m fairly sure road users will brush up on &#8211; and follow &#8211; the road code pretty swiftly if it&#8217;s likely to cost them if they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Alistair Gunn		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-903</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alistair Gunn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 05:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Having said this, I accept the counter argument that the Strict Liability legislation was a minor part of the improved cycling safety in Europe, and that the real answer is the total package of redesigning our roads to make cycling safe and attractive, including reducing speed limits and adequately investing in better design.

http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/search/label/sustainable%20safety]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having said this, I accept the counter argument that the Strict Liability legislation was a minor part of the improved cycling safety in Europe, and that the real answer is the total package of redesigning our roads to make cycling safe and attractive, including reducing speed limits and adequately investing in better design.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/search/label/sustainable%20safety" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/search/label/sustainable%20safety</a></p>
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		By: richdesign		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richdesign]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 04:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aside from the obvious infrastructure needs, there are two things I&#039;d like to see:
 - an education campaign for drivers, perhaps as a video aiming to be shared as widely as possible, or ideally as a series of TV ads.  It would show some basic tips for drivers that no-one ever tells you, e.g. if you see a bike on the open road, there isn&#039;t room to pass, so wait behind them until the other lane is clear (like you would for a tractor or other slow-moving vehicle); look for bike when opening doors; bikes go faster than you think - if you&#039;re turning left, wait behind, don&#039;t try to race in front; check for bikes before veering left, especially if you&#039;ve been moving slowly, etc.  It would also attempt to give drivers some empathy for the vulnerability and difficulties that cyclists face, e.g. weather, signals not changing, aggressive drivers, squeeze points, etc. etc.


the other thing is a specific set of road rules for bikes.  As we all know, bikes sit in a grey area between pedestrians and cars.  Bikes ride on the road, but they have about 1% of the kinetic energy of a car at urban speed limits, which is why they can also share paths with pedestrians while a car never could.  I&#039;d like to see rules something like the following: free left turns at lights (like a give way sign) or across the top of a T-junction; rules for bikes and pedestrians, esp. allowing cycles to mix with pedestrians at pedestrian crossings at low speed (including lights for pedestrians); allowance for bikes on footpaths at low speed; clear rules for groups of cyclists not blocking lanes; etc.  They probably aren&#039;t very good examples, and may have problems, but some official sanction of things that most cyclists already do could help ease some of the tension between motorists and cyclists, plus it would make it clearer which rules may not be broken if the other rules were more sensible.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the obvious infrastructure needs, there are two things I&#8217;d like to see:<br />
 &#8211; an education campaign for drivers, perhaps as a video aiming to be shared as widely as possible, or ideally as a series of TV ads.  It would show some basic tips for drivers that no-one ever tells you, e.g. if you see a bike on the open road, there isn&#8217;t room to pass, so wait behind them until the other lane is clear (like you would for a tractor or other slow-moving vehicle); look for bike when opening doors; bikes go faster than you think &#8211; if you&#8217;re turning left, wait behind, don&#8217;t try to race in front; check for bikes before veering left, especially if you&#8217;ve been moving slowly, etc.  It would also attempt to give drivers some empathy for the vulnerability and difficulties that cyclists face, e.g. weather, signals not changing, aggressive drivers, squeeze points, etc. etc.</p>
<p>the other thing is a specific set of road rules for bikes.  As we all know, bikes sit in a grey area between pedestrians and cars.  Bikes ride on the road, but they have about 1% of the kinetic energy of a car at urban speed limits, which is why they can also share paths with pedestrians while a car never could.  I&#8217;d like to see rules something like the following: free left turns at lights (like a give way sign) or across the top of a T-junction; rules for bikes and pedestrians, esp. allowing cycles to mix with pedestrians at pedestrian crossings at low speed (including lights for pedestrians); allowance for bikes on footpaths at low speed; clear rules for groups of cyclists not blocking lanes; etc.  They probably aren&#8217;t very good examples, and may have problems, but some official sanction of things that most cyclists already do could help ease some of the tension between motorists and cyclists, plus it would make it clearer which rules may not be broken if the other rules were more sensible.</p>
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		By: Alistair Gunn		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-901</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alistair Gunn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 04:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Strict liability. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/06/13/are-dutch-motorists-strictly-liable-if-they-collide-with-a-cyclist/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strict liability. <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/06/13/are-dutch-motorists-strictly-liable-if-they-collide-with-a-cyclist/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/06/13/are-dutch-motorists-strictly-liable-if-they-collide-with-a-cyclist/</a></p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-900</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 05:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I strongly believe we should enact Law which automatically assigns blame for any injury-accident to the party in charge of the most dangerous vehicle. This puts the onus on that party to prove absolutely they were not at fault. The main outcome is a strong message to all drivers to take greater care around cyclists, motorcyclists and pedestrians. It has been done in other countries and though it obviously isn&#8217;t going to solve all of our problems, it does seem to make a very positive difference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly believe we should enact Law which automatically assigns blame for any injury-accident to the party in charge of the most dangerous vehicle. This puts the onus on that party to prove absolutely they were not at fault. The main outcome is a strong message to all drivers to take greater care around cyclists, motorcyclists and pedestrians. It has been done in other countries and though it obviously isn&#8217;t going to solve all of our problems, it does seem to make a very positive difference.</p>
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		By: Colin Stokes		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-899</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colin Stokes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 02:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are already comprehensive and recognized safety solutions in the Councils Infrastructure Design Standards (IDS). They require marked cycle lanes, medians and safety other safety amenities for collector roads and above (1,000-6,000 vpd and above). The problem is the Council are refusing to implement them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are already comprehensive and recognized safety solutions in the Councils Infrastructure Design Standards (IDS). They require marked cycle lanes, medians and safety other safety amenities for collector roads and above (1,000-6,000 vpd and above). The problem is the Council are refusing to implement them.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-898</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 01:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s going to take a combination of things - better infrastructure, allocation of road space, network planning, education and enforcement. To get a comprehensive solution across all these areas it seems to me that it requires change right at the top, in the legislation around cycling and the funding/planning structures to deliver it. I don&#039;t know what your scope is Glen, but I reckon if we want significant change (which I think we do) it&#039;s pretty important to look for improvements in the decision-making structures, and the funding channels from central government through NZTA/local councils and then into projects.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s going to take a combination of things &#8211; better infrastructure, allocation of road space, network planning, education and enforcement. To get a comprehensive solution across all these areas it seems to me that it requires change right at the top, in the legislation around cycling and the funding/planning structures to deliver it. I don&#8217;t know what your scope is Glen, but I reckon if we want significant change (which I think we do) it&#8217;s pretty important to look for improvements in the decision-making structures, and the funding channels from central government through NZTA/local councils and then into projects.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/04/06/how-should-we-tackle-cycle-safety-in-nz/#comment-897</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 00:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can we add &quot;Better enforcement&quot; to the list above.  Driving through the lights controlling cycle lane crossings or driving in cycle lanes past schools are both things I saw last week.  Many things will help - enforcement is one of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we add &#8220;Better enforcement&#8221; to the list above.  Driving through the lights controlling cycle lane crossings or driving in cycle lanes past schools are both things I saw last week.  Many things will help &#8211; enforcement is one of them.</p>
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		By: Dazza		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dazza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 00:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, all the best with this project, we need sensible people with a wide ranging agenda to help tackle this problem. As you say there are no magic bullets but it is gratifying to see that the discussion is getting away from engineering solutions which is a problem when you consult with roading engineers. 
Being a frequent road (not a bunch rider) cyclist and one who had a massive accident back in 2007 (head on from a motorist overtaking on a blind corner) I believe that driver and rider behaviour is the most important thing to change. I frequently have discussions with so called sensible people who still believe that cyclists are some kind of secondary road users and really just in the way of motorists. It surely cant be that hard to get the message out there that we have every right be be there and be safe]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, all the best with this project, we need sensible people with a wide ranging agenda to help tackle this problem. As you say there are no magic bullets but it is gratifying to see that the discussion is getting away from engineering solutions which is a problem when you consult with roading engineers.<br />
Being a frequent road (not a bunch rider) cyclist and one who had a massive accident back in 2007 (head on from a motorist overtaking on a blind corner) I believe that driver and rider behaviour is the most important thing to change. I frequently have discussions with so called sensible people who still believe that cyclists are some kind of secondary road users and really just in the way of motorists. It surely cant be that hard to get the message out there that we have every right be be there and be safe</p>
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