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		By: criggie		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/08/30/does-your-mother-not-let-you-ride-on-the-road/#comment-635</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[criggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2015 03:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/07/06/first-look-ilam-road-cycleway/#comment-571&quot;&gt;Malc&lt;/a&gt;.

...and part of that is calling out fellow cyclists who do run reds.  A hearty and loud  &quot;goo-don-yah&quot; seems to get heard, lacking any potty works lets them receive it better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/07/06/first-look-ilam-road-cycleway/#comment-571">Malc</a>.</p>
<p>&#8230;and part of that is calling out fellow cyclists who do run reds.  A hearty and loud  &#8220;goo-don-yah&#8221; seems to get heard, lacking any potty works lets them receive it better.</p>
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		By: Joy Talbot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joy Talbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2013 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Peter about footpaths being for feet and I abhor cyclists who cut corners to bypass red lights. However, I do use the shared portion outside CPIT on Madras Street daily to access CPIT where I work. I am not sure why the shared it there but I always feel much relieved when I get on to it for the last 100 m of my trip to work.  Other than that I agree totally with Stephen - footpaths are really dangerous for cyclists or anyone who can not hear a car coming down a driveway and stop in time. I can&#039;t believe parents allow their children to bike to school on the footpaths because &quot;it is safer&quot;. It was common when I WALKED my son to school to have at least one near miss a week and I was always aware.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Peter about footpaths being for feet and I abhor cyclists who cut corners to bypass red lights. However, I do use the shared portion outside CPIT on Madras Street daily to access CPIT where I work. I am not sure why the shared it there but I always feel much relieved when I get on to it for the last 100 m of my trip to work.  Other than that I agree totally with Stephen &#8211; footpaths are really dangerous for cyclists or anyone who can not hear a car coming down a driveway and stop in time. I can&#8217;t believe parents allow their children to bike to school on the footpaths because &#8220;it is safer&#8221;. It was common when I WALKED my son to school to have at least one near miss a week and I was always aware.</p>
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		By: Peter A		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t ride on the footpath. If I need to go on the footpath I dismount and walk. If they wanted you to bike on the footpath, they would call it a bike path. 

The one that irks me most is cyclists going onto the path to turn left  to beat the red at a set of lights. I have no problem with people getting off their bike, walking on the path to go round the corner, but to ride the path or go through the red light on the road, just to save themselves 20 seconds.

Basically, if we want respect from motorists, then obey the rules.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t ride on the footpath. If I need to go on the footpath I dismount and walk. If they wanted you to bike on the footpath, they would call it a bike path. </p>
<p>The one that irks me most is cyclists going onto the path to turn left  to beat the red at a set of lights. I have no problem with people getting off their bike, walking on the path to go round the corner, but to ride the path or go through the red light on the road, just to save themselves 20 seconds.</p>
<p>Basically, if we want respect from motorists, then obey the rules.</p>
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		By: Alastair Brown		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/08/30/does-your-mother-not-let-you-ride-on-the-road/#comment-632</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alastair Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 04:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The quick answer is that &quot;footpaths, shared sensibly, are the pragmatic place to ride on occasion&quot;.  However, given the current legal situation, I think maybe &quot;shared sensibly&quot; might be overstepping the mark slightly.  My stand would be that, on footpaths cyclists should always ride slowly (&#060;~10km/h), absolutely always give way to pedestrians and have a generally humble and grovelling attitude, so as not to offend legitimate users and avoid the attentions of the constabulary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quick answer is that &#8220;footpaths, shared sensibly, are the pragmatic place to ride on occasion&#8221;.  However, given the current legal situation, I think maybe &#8220;shared sensibly&#8221; might be overstepping the mark slightly.  My stand would be that, on footpaths cyclists should always ride slowly (&lt;~10km/h), absolutely always give way to pedestrians and have a generally humble and grovelling attitude, so as not to offend legitimate users and avoid the attentions of the constabulary.</p>
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		By: Stephen		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/08/30/does-your-mother-not-let-you-ride-on-the-road/#comment-631</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 01:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m torn. On the one hand, I believe that cyclists shouldn&#039;t ride on the footpath, except perhaps at pedestrian walking speed, and with diligent use of a bell. Riding on the footpath in the suburbs greatly increases your chances of getting cleaned up by a car coming out of a driveway.

On the other hand, there are plenty of places where it&#039;s the only tenable option.

Adding to the confusion is the way that many streets around the CBD have markings suggesting that they can be used by bikes, but it&#039;s not clear where these start and stop.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m torn. On the one hand, I believe that cyclists shouldn&#8217;t ride on the footpath, except perhaps at pedestrian walking speed, and with diligent use of a bell. Riding on the footpath in the suburbs greatly increases your chances of getting cleaned up by a car coming out of a driveway.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there are plenty of places where it&#8217;s the only tenable option.</p>
<p>Adding to the confusion is the way that many streets around the CBD have markings suggesting that they can be used by bikes, but it&#8217;s not clear where these start and stop.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 23:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed the read thanks , and am happy to contribute to a  pedestrian vs cyclist debate which in my opinion  has always  been an issue and even more so now . 

 Put simply it seems that many motorists are fed up with those that bike on the roads, and pedestrians quite rightly are concerned when there is biking on the footpaths  that aren&#039;t designated shared pathways.  That is why cycle-ways are so important  ,  people who bike are not going to go away and nor should they. It is a central and local government responsibility to see that infrastructure is appropriate for all transport choices . 

 In the mean time,  I think a lot of footpath riding is due to a combination  of convenience and &quot;survival &#039; in a hostile roading system that has been developed by vehicle drivers , for vehicle drivers . Being marginalised  throws away the incentive for law-abiding activity .

 Providing those biking on the footpath extend the same courtesy to pedestrians as they expect when on the roads in amongst vehicular traffic things can amble along nicely

The reality is different  as we know .  So the only solution will be to develop roading and pedestrian areas with all transport options getting equal consideration. Until that can happen, the issue will remain an issue .  Curletts Road would be a useful place to start . 

To tell a related story , recently I rode  my bike ( with cargo trailer )  into a hardware  yard to purchase some timber.  I did what any vehicle would do and parked alongside the timber required . There were a number of other vehicles parked   and people walking around . A concerned employee told me to take   &quot;extreme&quot; care whilst in this area .  I did not see any of the pedestrians  wearing high-viz gear unlike myself,  so wondered why a vehicle/truck would run me over instead of them . It was nice to be warned of dangers ( I suspect the company were trying to cover their liabilities ,  bless them  ) but the irony is once back onto the road I was putting myself at extreme risk ( my perception) from the seemingly deliberate actions from the very same trades vehicles ( possibly ) who seem to have no comprehension of what a 0.5 metre space between vehicles and those on bikes is , let alone what 1.5 metre means . Funny old world I thought  .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the read thanks , and am happy to contribute to a  pedestrian vs cyclist debate which in my opinion  has always  been an issue and even more so now . </p>
<p> Put simply it seems that many motorists are fed up with those that bike on the roads, and pedestrians quite rightly are concerned when there is biking on the footpaths  that aren&#8217;t designated shared pathways.  That is why cycle-ways are so important  ,  people who bike are not going to go away and nor should they. It is a central and local government responsibility to see that infrastructure is appropriate for all transport choices . </p>
<p> In the mean time,  I think a lot of footpath riding is due to a combination  of convenience and &#8220;survival &#8216; in a hostile roading system that has been developed by vehicle drivers , for vehicle drivers . Being marginalised  throws away the incentive for law-abiding activity .</p>
<p> Providing those biking on the footpath extend the same courtesy to pedestrians as they expect when on the roads in amongst vehicular traffic things can amble along nicely</p>
<p>The reality is different  as we know .  So the only solution will be to develop roading and pedestrian areas with all transport options getting equal consideration. Until that can happen, the issue will remain an issue .  Curletts Road would be a useful place to start . </p>
<p>To tell a related story , recently I rode  my bike ( with cargo trailer )  into a hardware  yard to purchase some timber.  I did what any vehicle would do and parked alongside the timber required . There were a number of other vehicles parked   and people walking around . A concerned employee told me to take   &#8220;extreme&#8221; care whilst in this area .  I did not see any of the pedestrians  wearing high-viz gear unlike myself,  so wondered why a vehicle/truck would run me over instead of them . It was nice to be warned of dangers ( I suspect the company were trying to cover their liabilities ,  bless them  ) but the irony is once back onto the road I was putting myself at extreme risk ( my perception) from the seemingly deliberate actions from the very same trades vehicles ( possibly ) who seem to have no comprehension of what a 0.5 metre space between vehicles and those on bikes is , let alone what 1.5 metre means . Funny old world I thought  .</p>
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