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	Comments on: Ilam Rd Cycleway Construction Underway	</title>
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		By: Olly Powell		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-434</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Olly Powell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Having now used the route several times a day for several months, would suggest it has been a partial success, but there is plenty of room for  improvement.  The quality of the construction is terrible, and much of it is falling to bits now.

I like the design, overall, thogh it is a shame it had to swap over near Ilam school with that awkward wiggle.

As noted by Stephen, the concrete seperators are a bit of a fail, for multiple reasons.  I hope we don&#039;t see any more of them.  The plastic seperators would have been better, though I don&#039;t think they look great either.    

My favourite option is a continuous row of red pavers, with a slight rise and a nicely tapered concrete edge, though I guess this would be the most expensive approach.  Some planters with a decent (eg 20m) seperation between them might have been a better option for this side.

I like the cut-out at the corner of Montana Ave, but the designer messed up the geometry a bit, so I always end up going around the footpath side of one of the islands, which obviously wasn&#039;t what she intended.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having now used the route several times a day for several months, would suggest it has been a partial success, but there is plenty of room for  improvement.  The quality of the construction is terrible, and much of it is falling to bits now.</p>
<p>I like the design, overall, thogh it is a shame it had to swap over near Ilam school with that awkward wiggle.</p>
<p>As noted by Stephen, the concrete seperators are a bit of a fail, for multiple reasons.  I hope we don&#8217;t see any more of them.  The plastic seperators would have been better, though I don&#8217;t think they look great either.    </p>
<p>My favourite option is a continuous row of red pavers, with a slight rise and a nicely tapered concrete edge, though I guess this would be the most expensive approach.  Some planters with a decent (eg 20m) seperation between them might have been a better option for this side.</p>
<p>I like the cut-out at the corner of Montana Ave, but the designer messed up the geometry a bit, so I always end up going around the footpath side of one of the islands, which obviously wasn&#8217;t what she intended.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-433</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to be a uni student, and remember what it was like to cycle along Ilam Rd in rush hour. It wasn&#039;t the safest place to be.
Since the upgrade I have only gone along there once, and something really struck me about how the &#039;cycleway&#039; has been made. It&#039;s built just like a footpath. It is a very uneven surface in places, and includes an unnecessarily tight corner which feels like it was designed by someone without understanding of the speeds that cyclist travel at. In terms of speed, cyclists are more similar to motorists than pedestrians, so the separation between cyclists and pedestrians should be greater than that between cyclists and motorists, which is something the Ilam Rd cycleway goes completely against in places.

Even with the protection from motorists that the concrete separators provide, I prefer the open and flat cycle lanes of the main arterial routes to what has been installed on Ilam Rd.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be a uni student, and remember what it was like to cycle along Ilam Rd in rush hour. It wasn&#8217;t the safest place to be.<br />
Since the upgrade I have only gone along there once, and something really struck me about how the &#8216;cycleway&#8217; has been made. It&#8217;s built just like a footpath. It is a very uneven surface in places, and includes an unnecessarily tight corner which feels like it was designed by someone without understanding of the speeds that cyclist travel at. In terms of speed, cyclists are more similar to motorists than pedestrians, so the separation between cyclists and pedestrians should be greater than that between cyclists and motorists, which is something the Ilam Rd cycleway goes completely against in places.</p>
<p>Even with the protection from motorists that the concrete separators provide, I prefer the open and flat cycle lanes of the main arterial routes to what has been installed on Ilam Rd.</p>
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		By: ****ing Andrew		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-431&quot;&gt;Stephen&lt;/a&gt;.

If those curbs were bigger and radiused we wouldn&#039;t need chains, underground pipes? Until then trail bikes often make most sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-431">Stephen</a>.</p>
<p>If those curbs were bigger and radiused we wouldn&#8217;t need chains, underground pipes? Until then trail bikes often make most sense.</p>
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		By: Stephen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 11:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have now used the Ilam Rd cycle route trial several times, both as a car driver and as a cyclist. I don&#039;t like it because of the concrete kerb sleepers, which I believe makes the route less safe than a standard road.

Pros:
1.  Great to see something being done to make cycle commuting safer.

2.  I like the painted car door separator beside car parks.

Cons:
1.  The concrete separator kerbs are much too large. They are a danger to cars and cyclists alike. Their height makes them a serious crash hazard, and their width wastes too much of the road width. 

2.  They are spaced far too close together, so that it is impossible to pass by briefly moving into the car lane. Unlike cars, cycles travel at vastly differing speeds, so passing must be easy and safe.

3.  The narrowing of the road means that cycles will be forced to use the cycleway even if it is more dangerous for them, otherwise car drivers will be understandably irate.

4.  On straight sections of road the main hazards are from driveways or side streets, and car doors. These concrete kerb separators do not address either problem.

5.  The costs are outrageous. Money should be spent instead on making intersections safer. This is where the real hazards lie.

6.  The concrete kerb sleepers are incredibly ugly.

Personally, if this system is rolled out across the city I will be forced to commute using other unmodified routes, and chance my luck amongst the cars. Not the desired outcome.

The whole issue can be resolved by using the low Riley separators, especially with plastic posts on corners, similar to the trials on Strickland and Kotare streets. These have had resounding support from all users. They work perfectly, providing a reminder of the separation to both cyclists and car drivers, without insulting car drivers or endangering cyclists. 

Then let&#039;s start focusing on making intersections safe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have now used the Ilam Rd cycle route trial several times, both as a car driver and as a cyclist. I don&#8217;t like it because of the concrete kerb sleepers, which I believe makes the route less safe than a standard road.</p>
<p>Pros:<br />
1.  Great to see something being done to make cycle commuting safer.</p>
<p>2.  I like the painted car door separator beside car parks.</p>
<p>Cons:<br />
1.  The concrete separator kerbs are much too large. They are a danger to cars and cyclists alike. Their height makes them a serious crash hazard, and their width wastes too much of the road width. </p>
<p>2.  They are spaced far too close together, so that it is impossible to pass by briefly moving into the car lane. Unlike cars, cycles travel at vastly differing speeds, so passing must be easy and safe.</p>
<p>3.  The narrowing of the road means that cycles will be forced to use the cycleway even if it is more dangerous for them, otherwise car drivers will be understandably irate.</p>
<p>4.  On straight sections of road the main hazards are from driveways or side streets, and car doors. These concrete kerb separators do not address either problem.</p>
<p>5.  The costs are outrageous. Money should be spent instead on making intersections safer. This is where the real hazards lie.</p>
<p>6.  The concrete kerb sleepers are incredibly ugly.</p>
<p>Personally, if this system is rolled out across the city I will be forced to commute using other unmodified routes, and chance my luck amongst the cars. Not the desired outcome.</p>
<p>The whole issue can be resolved by using the low Riley separators, especially with plastic posts on corners, similar to the trials on Strickland and Kotare streets. These have had resounding support from all users. They work perfectly, providing a reminder of the separation to both cyclists and car drivers, without insulting car drivers or endangering cyclists. </p>
<p>Then let&#8217;s start focusing on making intersections safe.</p>
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		By: Ethan		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-430</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2013 03:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I cycle this route every day to school and back, and it was always a dangerous section for cyclists, especially when the buses passed at high speed. Since they have built the new cycleways I feel much safer. I would love to see this implemented all around Christchurch. Also regarding the car parks, I thought they seemed small too, until I saw them today with cars parked in them, there is heaps of room on all sides, and the problem of stopping traffic behind you when parallel parking is has always been a problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cycle this route every day to school and back, and it was always a dangerous section for cyclists, especially when the buses passed at high speed. Since they have built the new cycleways I feel much safer. I would love to see this implemented all around Christchurch. Also regarding the car parks, I thought they seemed small too, until I saw them today with cars parked in them, there is heaps of room on all sides, and the problem of stopping traffic behind you when parallel parking is has always been a problem.</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-429</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-427&quot;&gt;Lennyboy&lt;/a&gt;.

I prefer not to bike with my cricket gear! That bag is massive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-427">Lennyboy</a>.</p>
<p>I prefer not to bike with my cricket gear! That bag is massive.</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-428</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 08:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t mean to go on, but ... I Saw they had added some car parks today! On the other side of the cycle lane. Wouldn&#039;t want to park there in anything bigger than a mini. Even then would want to fold the wing mirrors in for fear the buses would knock them off! It will be interesting watching cars parallel park there, they will have no option but to stop all traffic behind them. I don&#039;t understand how the planners can&#039;t see the problems with the design, it&#039;s bizarre.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t mean to go on, but &#8230; I Saw they had added some car parks today! On the other side of the cycle lane. Wouldn&#8217;t want to park there in anything bigger than a mini. Even then would want to fold the wing mirrors in for fear the buses would knock them off! It will be interesting watching cars parallel park there, they will have no option but to stop all traffic behind them. I don&#8217;t understand how the planners can&#8217;t see the problems with the design, it&#8217;s bizarre.</p>
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		By: Lennyboy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-427</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 04:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-426&quot;&gt;Andrew&lt;/a&gt;.

There&#039;s still parking on one side; there&#039;s a whole university car park across the road that&#039;s hardly used on a Saturday. Or you could bike... :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-426">Andrew</a>.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s still parking on one side; there&#8217;s a whole university car park across the road that&#8217;s hardly used on a Saturday. Or you could bike&#8230; 🙂</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/04/12/ilam-rd-cycleway-construction-underway/#comment-426</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, and another thing: where on earth am I supposed to park my car for sports on Saturday? I will now have to park at least 400 m away, and quite possibly more!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and another thing: where on earth am I supposed to park my car for sports on Saturday? I will now have to park at least 400 m away, and quite possibly more!</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like it at all. I am a cyclist and travel pretty quickly, I am sure there will be accidents where pedestrians step off the kerb, through the cycle lane to wait on their island for the vehicle traffic, without really checking for cyclists. Plus I am annoyed that so many car parks were removed. The road is too narrow around the bus stop on the corner before Creyke Rd. What are cyclists supposed to do as they approach Creyke Rd, want to turn right and have to somehow check for traffic and weave between those stupid kerbed islands? I can envisage quite a few cyclists crashing into the kerbed island in that scenario. But lastly, what was it all really for? Was it a dangerous stretch for cyclists? I completely agree with the pedestrian crossings, but why not just leave it at that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like it at all. I am a cyclist and travel pretty quickly, I am sure there will be accidents where pedestrians step off the kerb, through the cycle lane to wait on their island for the vehicle traffic, without really checking for cyclists. Plus I am annoyed that so many car parks were removed. The road is too narrow around the bus stop on the corner before Creyke Rd. What are cyclists supposed to do as they approach Creyke Rd, want to turn right and have to somehow check for traffic and weave between those stupid kerbed islands? I can envisage quite a few cyclists crashing into the kerbed island in that scenario. But lastly, what was it all really for? Was it a dangerous stretch for cyclists? I completely agree with the pedestrian crossings, but why not just leave it at that?</p>
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