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		By: LennyBoy		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-154895</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LennyBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2024 23:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-154739&quot;&gt;Jim Young&lt;/a&gt;.

Lucky then that people who bike also still pay rates and taxes that are contributing to their cost... In Chch, we have also seen a significant uptick in the number of people cycling since the introduction of cycleways here (yes, even during adverse weather); presumably many of them previously driving. The resulting reduced traffic congestion (compared to what it would have been without any mode shift) was one of the biggest calculated benefits of the Chch Major Cycleways programme...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-154739">Jim Young</a>.</p>
<p>Lucky then that people who bike also still pay rates and taxes that are contributing to their cost&#8230; In Chch, we have also seen a significant uptick in the number of people cycling since the introduction of cycleways here (yes, even during adverse weather); presumably many of them previously driving. The resulting reduced traffic congestion (compared to what it would have been without any mode shift) was one of the biggest calculated benefits of the Chch Major Cycleways programme&#8230;</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-154739&quot;&gt;Jim Young&lt;/a&gt;.

Out of interest Jim, I wonder if you could explain please how the width of a particular road influences congestion and therefore national productivity. Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-154739">Jim Young</a>.</p>
<p>Out of interest Jim, I wonder if you could explain please how the width of a particular road influences congestion and therefore national productivity. Thanks.</p>
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		By: Jim Young		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Young]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Recent letters tell us that cyclists believe they are justifiably exempt road tax since their bikes are of negligible weight and thus cause little road damage.
This assertion would be particularly true during adverse weather when bikes usually stay at home, recognising too that such weather damages both roads and cycle lanes.
However, a significant cost our cyclists might prefer to ignore is that of installing cycle lanes, this often at the further expense of road width and parking space, the consequential congestion to the ultimate detriment of national productivity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent letters tell us that cyclists believe they are justifiably exempt road tax since their bikes are of negligible weight and thus cause little road damage.<br />
This assertion would be particularly true during adverse weather when bikes usually stay at home, recognising too that such weather damages both roads and cycle lanes.<br />
However, a significant cost our cyclists might prefer to ignore is that of installing cycle lanes, this often at the further expense of road width and parking space, the consequential congestion to the ultimate detriment of national productivity.</p>
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		By: Rangimarie Tarei		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-70558</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rangimarie Tarei]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2020 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-337&quot;&gt;Robbie&lt;/a&gt;.

That is the best answer I&#039;ve heard.The very reason people bicycle in the first place is 1) to save the use of using a vehicle  2) Save the cost of fuel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-337">Robbie</a>.</p>
<p>That is the best answer I&#8217;ve heard.The very reason people bicycle in the first place is 1) to save the use of using a vehicle  2) Save the cost of fuel.</p>
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		By: Emma		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-18214</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2018 17:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyclists are a net external economic benefit to our city. Lots of people know this to be true. Its just a small vocal minority who like to stir things up. 

Wish people could see all the smiles from pedestrians  I see when I&#039;m cycling, and the thank yous, pleasantries we often share as we pass. Times they are a changing.  Those who are not mobility impaired, who choose to spend their entire lives encased in a hunk of steel complaining about others, complaining about petrol prices, parking subsidised by our rates, motorways subsidised by our taxes, making the city less accessible to those who are mobility impaired, complaining about those who make the world a better place...... can continue doing so. They will just have to learn to start paying their true costs. 

Sometimes I cycle, sometimes I take the bike on the bus, and if I&#039;m with someone whose mobility impaired I&#039;ll take them in the car. Choosing to do so for years means I save this country a fortune in many areas especially by being able to afford to care for our family of all ages rather than grovelling to the state cap in hand. Look at all the benefits of cycling, you&#039;ll be amazed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclists are a net external economic benefit to our city. Lots of people know this to be true. Its just a small vocal minority who like to stir things up. </p>
<p>Wish people could see all the smiles from pedestrians  I see when I&#8217;m cycling, and the thank yous, pleasantries we often share as we pass. Times they are a changing.  Those who are not mobility impaired, who choose to spend their entire lives encased in a hunk of steel complaining about others, complaining about petrol prices, parking subsidised by our rates, motorways subsidised by our taxes, making the city less accessible to those who are mobility impaired, complaining about those who make the world a better place&#8230;&#8230; can continue doing so. They will just have to learn to start paying their true costs. </p>
<p>Sometimes I cycle, sometimes I take the bike on the bus, and if I&#8217;m with someone whose mobility impaired I&#8217;ll take them in the car. Choosing to do so for years means I save this country a fortune in many areas especially by being able to afford to care for our family of all ages rather than grovelling to the state cap in hand. Look at all the benefits of cycling, you&#8217;ll be amazed.</p>
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		By: shamanicwriter		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-346</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shamanicwriter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2015 07:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its as simple as this -I&#039;ll never pay tax on my bicycle- I worry about these articles because they give impression its ok to even entertain this , I say this without swear words, but if you can read between the lines you might feel my furious anger at this very concept, and you can imagine the words that accompany that feeling.- I will never pay and you (metaphorical statist government lover and freedom hater) have no right to even ask such a thing you whoever you are!I would sooner pay for you toilet renovations than tax on bikes.I will never pay and we will never pay and biking will continue to be free, biking free for you and for me and thats the end of the issue- everyone who thinks otherwise is deluded, and should be ignored and disregarded from humanity as whole, worthless tax promoters.This world is free unless we allow them to ruin it for us, I&#039;ve had a enough damn it!I&#039;m not allowing them a choice here its my bike - my body - if I choose not to be a fat slob driving a car - if I choose healthy lifestyle and not to add to the carbon footprint fogging shighting up the air we breath then I should be rewarded at least with my freedom.Thats all I ask, to left the hell alone, to be human and to be left the hell alone to ride my bike to do my things without being told what I can and can&#039;t do after all I&#039;m an adult and I&#039;m not beholden to anyone.I&#039;m a free living human being and the worlds as much mine as it is anyones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its as simple as this -I&#8217;ll never pay tax on my bicycle- I worry about these articles because they give impression its ok to even entertain this , I say this without swear words, but if you can read between the lines you might feel my furious anger at this very concept, and you can imagine the words that accompany that feeling.- I will never pay and you (metaphorical statist government lover and freedom hater) have no right to even ask such a thing you whoever you are!I would sooner pay for you toilet renovations than tax on bikes.I will never pay and we will never pay and biking will continue to be free, biking free for you and for me and thats the end of the issue- everyone who thinks otherwise is deluded, and should be ignored and disregarded from humanity as whole, worthless tax promoters.This world is free unless we allow them to ruin it for us, I&#8217;ve had a enough damn it!I&#8217;m not allowing them a choice here its my bike &#8211; my body &#8211; if I choose not to be a fat slob driving a car &#8211; if I choose healthy lifestyle and not to add to the carbon footprint fogging shighting up the air we breath then I should be rewarded at least with my freedom.Thats all I ask, to left the hell alone, to be human and to be left the hell alone to ride my bike to do my things without being told what I can and can&#8217;t do after all I&#8217;m an adult and I&#8217;m not beholden to anyone.I&#8217;m a free living human being and the worlds as much mine as it is anyones.</p>
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		By: Shane Martin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shane Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-343&quot;&gt;Susan Krumdieck&lt;/a&gt;.

Susan,  here&#039;s what I think (and I&#039;m a cyclist who doesn&#039;t own a car, but who has driven in the past):

I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s simply because we&#039;re cyclists that instills in some people hatred and aggressiveness. I think it&#039;s mostly as a result of intolerance, and the belief they shouldn&#039;t be held up, but the fact that some cyclists don&#039;t obey rules and we are all deemed to be freeloaders doesn&#039;t help.

I&#039;ve seen just as many motorists (some of whom are usually really mild-mannered) turn into aggressive and intolerant monsters (and I&#039;m no angel in this respect, but am better these days) when they are behind the wheel and some other motorist makes a mistake.

It&#039;s something about our psyche, I think, but I don&#039;t know why.

Just to be clear, I&#039;m talking about the average motorist. Those like the motorist who hit your little boy and failed stop, I can&#039;t understand the mindset of people like that. I&#039;ve had a few try and purposely swerve to cut me off. I guess these are the same people who would attack a gay person just because they&#039;re different. The only thing I can put it down to is intolerance.

BTW, you sound like a really nice person, who, considering what has happened, has every reason to feel bitter. But, you&#039;re not in the slightest, based on what you wrote.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-343">Susan Krumdieck</a>.</p>
<p>Susan,  here&#8217;s what I think (and I&#8217;m a cyclist who doesn&#8217;t own a car, but who has driven in the past):</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s simply because we&#8217;re cyclists that instills in some people hatred and aggressiveness. I think it&#8217;s mostly as a result of intolerance, and the belief they shouldn&#8217;t be held up, but the fact that some cyclists don&#8217;t obey rules and we are all deemed to be freeloaders doesn&#8217;t help.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen just as many motorists (some of whom are usually really mild-mannered) turn into aggressive and intolerant monsters (and I&#8217;m no angel in this respect, but am better these days) when they are behind the wheel and some other motorist makes a mistake.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s something about our psyche, I think, but I don&#8217;t know why.</p>
<p>Just to be clear, I&#8217;m talking about the average motorist. Those like the motorist who hit your little boy and failed stop, I can&#8217;t understand the mindset of people like that. I&#8217;ve had a few try and purposely swerve to cut me off. I guess these are the same people who would attack a gay person just because they&#8217;re different. The only thing I can put it down to is intolerance.</p>
<p>BTW, you sound like a really nice person, who, considering what has happened, has every reason to feel bitter. But, you&#8217;re not in the slightest, based on what you wrote.</p>
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		By: michelle		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-344</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2014 06:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-335&quot;&gt;Lennyboy&lt;/a&gt;.

I would be interested in a further brake down of the motor vehicle accidents with same analysis done for motorbikes. As a rider the ACC levy feels extremely unjust and I am reluctant to take a politicians word that it isn&#039;t. some facts and figures would be interesting to quite a few of my 2 wheeled (motorised) colleagues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/#comment-335">Lennyboy</a>.</p>
<p>I would be interested in a further brake down of the motor vehicle accidents with same analysis done for motorbikes. As a rider the ACC levy feels extremely unjust and I am reluctant to take a politicians word that it isn&#8217;t. some facts and figures would be interesting to quite a few of my 2 wheeled (motorised) colleagues.</p>
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		By: Susan Krumdieck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Krumdieck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmmm... If I bought an electric car I would get a subsidy, but I&quot;d be using the road. Probably if I crashed and it made the paper there would be lots of comments about how I wasn&#039;t paying my way in driving an electric car... Not.  Pedestrians don&#039;t pay road user fees, but they get whole sidewalks made for them - how come these people don&#039;t carry on about walkists?

Let&#039;s face it, there is something about a person on a cycle that makes some people in a car forget their humanity. I think more research needs to be done. Do you all hate my freedom?  I can just get on my bike and ride!  Are you threatened by my little legs pumping up and down?  Do you just really hate how I&#039;m leaning forward? Does it look aggressive? Why did you run over my kid on his way to school in his little uniform with his little back-pack on... and he was going straight through the intersection with the right of way?  And why did you go on without stopping to see if he was ok?  I&#039;m just wondering. What about those skinny tires and the flighty handlebars makes you hate me while I&#039;m out there in the wind and rain and you are sitting comfy in a car? Why will no jury convict you for &quot;not seeing&quot; me and breaking me to bits with your car?

We need to figure this out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; If I bought an electric car I would get a subsidy, but I&#8221;d be using the road. Probably if I crashed and it made the paper there would be lots of comments about how I wasn&#8217;t paying my way in driving an electric car&#8230; Not.  Pedestrians don&#8217;t pay road user fees, but they get whole sidewalks made for them &#8211; how come these people don&#8217;t carry on about walkists?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, there is something about a person on a cycle that makes some people in a car forget their humanity. I think more research needs to be done. Do you all hate my freedom?  I can just get on my bike and ride!  Are you threatened by my little legs pumping up and down?  Do you just really hate how I&#8217;m leaning forward? Does it look aggressive? Why did you run over my kid on his way to school in his little uniform with his little back-pack on&#8230; and he was going straight through the intersection with the right of way?  And why did you go on without stopping to see if he was ok?  I&#8217;m just wondering. What about those skinny tires and the flighty handlebars makes you hate me while I&#8217;m out there in the wind and rain and you are sitting comfy in a car? Why will no jury convict you for &#8220;not seeing&#8221; me and breaking me to bits with your car?</p>
<p>We need to figure this out.</p>
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		By: ian wells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ian wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyclists are small bananas compared to the real problem - pedestrians on roads

I want to see pedestrians  start paying road tax. All they do is get in the way of my car.

I could drive to work so much faster if I didn&#039;t have to stop at those  pedestrian crossings and wait for them as I make a turn at the lights. Arghh. Don&#039;t get me started.

Not only are the pedestrians not paying road tax, they are not safety conscious enough. Given the number of pedestrians hit by cars in this country, a compulsory helmet law for pedestrians ( especially children) is needed now!!!

And what about night time - why aren&#039;t these pedestrians using front and back flashing lights???? If they get hit, its only their own fault IMO

I think we would all be better off to have separated roadways for pedestrians only! Let&#039;s do it. Let&#039;s get the government to........
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oh wait, we do have separated walkways for pedestrians....  on second thought, forget my rant - how about cyclists and car drivers start being more considerate of pedestrians - no matter if they pay their road tax or not - and we can all get along getting around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclists are small bananas compared to the real problem &#8211; pedestrians on roads</p>
<p>I want to see pedestrians  start paying road tax. All they do is get in the way of my car.</p>
<p>I could drive to work so much faster if I didn&#8217;t have to stop at those  pedestrian crossings and wait for them as I make a turn at the lights. Arghh. Don&#8217;t get me started.</p>
<p>Not only are the pedestrians not paying road tax, they are not safety conscious enough. Given the number of pedestrians hit by cars in this country, a compulsory helmet law for pedestrians ( especially children) is needed now!!!</p>
<p>And what about night time &#8211; why aren&#8217;t these pedestrians using front and back flashing lights???? If they get hit, its only their own fault IMO</p>
<p>I think we would all be better off to have separated roadways for pedestrians only! Let&#8217;s do it. Let&#8217;s get the government to&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
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<p>oh wait, we do have separated walkways for pedestrians&#8230;.  on second thought, forget my rant &#8211; how about cyclists and car drivers start being more considerate of pedestrians &#8211; no matter if they pay their road tax or not &#8211; and we can all get along getting around.</p>
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