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		By: denise		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2012/10/06/is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-128</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[denise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 09:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is wrong with doing what enlightened centres such as Amsterdam do, divide the foot paths, ( and apart from shopping areas) cyclists on one side side of the footpath pedestrians on the other, Cyclists give way to pedestrians.

Could we have a mixed  off road cycleway along the new subdivisions between Hoon Hay and Aidensfield/ Halswell Please.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is wrong with doing what enlightened centres such as Amsterdam do, divide the foot paths, ( and apart from shopping areas) cyclists on one side side of the footpath pedestrians on the other, Cyclists give way to pedestrians.</p>
<p>Could we have a mixed  off road cycleway along the new subdivisions between Hoon Hay and Aidensfield/ Halswell Please.</p>
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		By: Captain Haddock		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2012/10/06/is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-127</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captain Haddock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Typically I have found that roadworks signs are located on cycle lanes]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typically I have found that roadworks signs are located on cycle lanes</p>
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		By: Damon		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2012/10/06/is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-126</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Damon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What about the number of enormous &#039;Caution Cyclists Merging&#039; signs smack bang in the middle of the cycle lane that force the cyclist to swerve into the traffic lane just to avoid the very sign designed to help us...that&#039;s ludicrous! They move regularly but, there&#039;s one on Moorhouse and another on St Asaph...I have to ride under the St Asaph sign, ducking the sign while swerving the cones!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the number of enormous &#8216;Caution Cyclists Merging&#8217; signs smack bang in the middle of the cycle lane that force the cyclist to swerve into the traffic lane just to avoid the very sign designed to help us&#8230;that&#8217;s ludicrous! They move regularly but, there&#8217;s one on Moorhouse and another on St Asaph&#8230;I have to ride under the St Asaph sign, ducking the sign while swerving the cones!</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2012/10/06/is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-125</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good topic, and sympathy for those out there suffering this.  

Surely, every one of these roadworks is required to have a safety plan.  i.e. signs of &quot;Please use other footpath&quot;  (even when none exists).  So, are cyclists considered in the safety plans?  If not, why are the roadworks allowed, or are they &#039;illegal&#039; as not having an adequate safety plan?

Perhaps take the &#039;safety plan&#039; issue to the council/CERA/SCIRT and ensure whoever sets out the roadworks actually considers cycle safety, as well as car driver convenience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good topic, and sympathy for those out there suffering this.  </p>
<p>Surely, every one of these roadworks is required to have a safety plan.  i.e. signs of &#8220;Please use other footpath&#8221;  (even when none exists).  So, are cyclists considered in the safety plans?  If not, why are the roadworks allowed, or are they &#8216;illegal&#8217; as not having an adequate safety plan?</p>
<p>Perhaps take the &#8216;safety plan&#8217; issue to the council/CERA/SCIRT and ensure whoever sets out the roadworks actually considers cycle safety, as well as car driver convenience.</p>
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		By: Malcolm		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2012/10/06/is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-124</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malcolm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 08:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thats assuming the governement doesnt replace the council with its own commissionors first.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats assuming the governement doesnt replace the council with its own commissionors first&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Dirk		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2012/10/06/is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-123</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 21:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Non cyclists, the majority of people and of those working at CCC, CERA, CCDU, SCIRT, etc. understandably do not have a well developed sense of what cyclists need. Fair enough. 

What isn&#039;t OK is the stone wall of resistance to actually including cyclists in assessing, planning and implementing roading projects. The culture is a paternalistic one of &quot;we know best so you little ignorant people who just don&#039;t understand wait over there until your betters have worked it all out for you.&quot;

We saw this  in Share an Idea where the comments were overwhelmingly in favour of cycling, but the &#039;Key Stakeholders&#039; were the ones cited as authoritative and needing to be accommodated. 

The culture is inherently class based. Worse still is it seems that many people accept their assigned role of timidity and fail to voice, let alone work for, their own self interest.

Cities which have implemented good cycling infrastructure have had cycling champions among the political leadership who pushed the agenda. Elections are next year and Christchurch desperately needs quality candidates. 3 more years of business as usual is 3 more nails in our collective coffin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non cyclists, the majority of people and of those working at CCC, CERA, CCDU, SCIRT, etc. understandably do not have a well developed sense of what cyclists need. Fair enough. </p>
<p>What isn&#8217;t OK is the stone wall of resistance to actually including cyclists in assessing, planning and implementing roading projects. The culture is a paternalistic one of &#8220;we know best so you little ignorant people who just don&#8217;t understand wait over there until your betters have worked it all out for you.&#8221;</p>
<p>We saw this  in Share an Idea where the comments were overwhelmingly in favour of cycling, but the &#8216;Key Stakeholders&#8217; were the ones cited as authoritative and needing to be accommodated. </p>
<p>The culture is inherently class based. Worse still is it seems that many people accept their assigned role of timidity and fail to voice, let alone work for, their own self interest.</p>
<p>Cities which have implemented good cycling infrastructure have had cycling champions among the political leadership who pushed the agenda. Elections are next year and Christchurch desperately needs quality candidates. 3 more years of business as usual is 3 more nails in our collective coffin.</p>
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		By: Chrys		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2012/10/06/is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-122</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chrys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 19:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this - Yes!   

Another one is the lack of bike stands in the restart mall.   it wouldn&#039;t have been hard to put in one or two to at least look willing.   I guess the problem is that Cycling is not always part of the mindset of those working on the ground, nor of those designing factilities (as we have seen with the Ilam Road example).  Whilst the Council may now be getting the message about a desire by residents for good cycling, they don &#039;t yet really know what that means and even if they do, then it has still to trickle throughout the organisations that are involved in designing and building roads and facilities - even facilities at the Council. 
its interesting, too, that there never seem to be ENOUGH bikestands outside the Council - I&quot;ve almost never managed to find a space amongst the bikestands in the new building!  
I guess cyclists still have some work to do raising awareness of these issues then!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this &#8211; Yes!   </p>
<p>Another one is the lack of bike stands in the restart mall.   it wouldn&#8217;t have been hard to put in one or two to at least look willing.   I guess the problem is that Cycling is not always part of the mindset of those working on the ground, nor of those designing factilities (as we have seen with the Ilam Road example).  Whilst the Council may now be getting the message about a desire by residents for good cycling, they don &#8216;t yet really know what that means and even if they do, then it has still to trickle throughout the organisations that are involved in designing and building roads and facilities &#8211; even facilities at the Council.<br />
its interesting, too, that there never seem to be ENOUGH bikestands outside the Council &#8211; I&#8221;ve almost never managed to find a space amongst the bikestands in the new building!<br />
I guess cyclists still have some work to do raising awareness of these issues then!</p>
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		By: Cyclomaniac		</title>
		<link>https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2012/10/06/is-cycling-really-cared-about-in-this-city/#comment-121</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyclomaniac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 04:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder the same thing at times. As far as I am concerned you can add the long temporary removal of the cycle paths on Curletts Rd to the list as well. I fully appreciate that the council is currently stretched but promotion of cycling has been lauded as a key component in the Christchurch rebuild. As the rebuild gets underway, the council needs to show that it is serious about cycling. Building new infrastructure is really important but not sufficient by itself. It is a mindset that needs to change. Promotion of cycling can only work if cyclists are spoiled, or at least not treated as irrelevant. From the examples you have neatly summed up here you can not help thinking that this new mind set has not completely sunk in yet...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder the same thing at times. As far as I am concerned you can add the long temporary removal of the cycle paths on Curletts Rd to the list as well. I fully appreciate that the council is currently stretched but promotion of cycling has been lauded as a key component in the Christchurch rebuild. As the rebuild gets underway, the council needs to show that it is serious about cycling. Building new infrastructure is really important but not sufficient by itself. It is a mindset that needs to change. Promotion of cycling can only work if cyclists are spoiled, or at least not treated as irrelevant. From the examples you have neatly summed up here you can not help thinking that this new mind set has not completely sunk in yet&#8230;</p>
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